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[FiveFrameSwing]

So a rise ball thrown from the knees will not be rising at the sternum as it crosses the plate? I can't say for sure, so I won't argue it. Just so you know I never ever ever said you swing down on a ball..but I definitely said an upward swing plane in this scenario is ill advised. What I did say was a fastpitch players approach should be a level swing which puts them in the best position to adjust to whatever trajectory is tossed at them. I've already said this twice in this thread.

Wish you well with your teachings of a 'level swing'.

Do you figure that will work well against a drop-ball pitcher?

Have you tried swinging level against an inside/low pitch? How did it work for you?

 

[_MIA_]

Wish you well with your teachings of a 'level swing'.

Do you figure that will work well against a drop-ball pitcher?

Have you tried swinging level against an inside/low pitch? How did it work for you?

He is saying the "baseline" should be level and adjust from there..not sure what that even means but I don't think he meant swing level for every pitch. From past threads, I think maybe he is under the impression that the TTB mentality results in an uppercut swing by default..a million different gifs of HL swings for different pitch locations show a different story imo. Heck you can TTB pretty good and still be too flat for most all pitches if you don't do other things correctly..my DD is a decent example of that actually.

 

[julray]

I applaud you for searching for real data.

The issue comes with your perception of what you see.

It's not my perception.. I didn't create the video/pic. It just proves what my perception has always been. Do you really believe I am part of ESPN Sports Science? LOL. Take a look and tell me that riseball drops.. I dare you. I'll make this very simple for you, easy question so there's no avoiding the question by asking another. In that video/screenshot, does the ball rise to contact? Yes or no?

 

[julray]

He is saying the "baseline" should be level and adjust from there..not sure what that even means but I don't think he meant swing level for every pitch. From past threads, I think maybe he is under the impression that the TTB mentality results in an uppercut swing by default..a million different gifs of HL swings for different pitch locations show a different story imo. Heck you can TTB pretty good and still be too flat for most all pitches if you don't do other things correctly..my DD is a decent example of that actually.

Yes this is what I mean.. no my DD does not swing level at every pitch, but she's in a much better position to make solid contact on any pitch if she's thinking a level swing approach. If she's thinking slight upward, forget it, can't recover from that when a riseball is thrown. Can she get to a drop ball think level swing, yes no problem. Barrel starting above the ball and adjusting, no prob. Barrel below the ball and trying to square up high rising heat.. no.

One of the advantages of TTB is getting on plane deep in the zone.. agree? If so, how can you get on plane early with a slight upward swing when the ball remains on a level plane or slight upward. The planes intersect, they do not meet

How do you get behind the ball? One advantage of TTB is getting on plane deep in the zone? Agree or disagree? IMO most pitches (my dd is 14) in Fastpitch have a flatter trajectory, yes balls drop and balls rise.

 

[julray]

Wish you well with your teachings of a 'level swing'.

Do you figure that will work well against a drop-ball pitcher?

Have you tried swinging level against an inside/low pitch? How did it work for you?

Thanks I appreciate it.

Do you figure that will work well against a drop-ball pitcher?

Drop the barrel.. easy to achieve when thinking swing level and adjusting. Hard to adjust when you dumped the barrel and trying to hit a rise ball

Have you tried swinging level against an inside/low pitch? How did it work for you?

No silly, why would you ever do that? Think level swing approach and react to that pitch by going down and getting it.

When it's all said and done, In my experience a lot of girls who TTB end up dropping the back shoulder too early.. leading to them being under rise balls, rising curve and screwballs. Do I practice and advise my DD to take a level swing? No. But I do ask her to take a look at the pitcher and if she's throwing a lot of rising/floating pitches, maintaining level shoulders and a level swingapproach helps her a lot

 

[julray]

I like how Pedro talks about pitching to the new launch angle era hitters
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqAAwwvc4Qk

And this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTDSlcFuyto

 

[Cannonball]

Does anyone remember the name of the thread created by ssarge and Rick Pauly? It has Sara's rise-ball action documented in flight.

 

[_MIA_]

Thanks I appreciate it.



When it's all said and done, In my experience a lot of girls who TTB end up dropping the back shoulder too early.. l

I can see that perhaps happening if the other parts of the swing aren't working correctly, in particular if they are not incorporating their core correctly e.g. no separation/stretch. Nobody is saying to just stand up there and turn the barrel..I don't think.

 

[rdbass]

Nobody is saying to just stand up there and turn the barrel

Apparently some one was....................

 

[julray]

Apparently some one was....................

Yes somebody actually did... advice was to TTB and everything else will fall in place, body will react appropriately