Things to consider when analyzing video

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Ken Krause

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I've been following along on the posts regarding Howard's drill. Looks like a good discussion overall. But as I thought about it I did see something come up that I think is worth considering.

There is a tendency when analyzing video to pick apart every aspect of it and compare it to the ideal. Sometimes that's justified, as when you're looking at game or even tee swings someone posts to show the overall swing. But I think you have to be careful when looking at video of drills to focus on the purpose and not over-analyze the rest.

I say this from experience. A couple of months ago I posted a video of a drill I had developed to help a pitcher get the feel of throwing the backhand change through release. I wanted her to feel her hand pulling the ball through the zone and sort of dragging the ball behind her. So I took a swim noodle and had her pull that while I held the noodle and created a little resistance. The drill worked, she got the feel, and so I thought I'd share it. I grabbed my Kodak Playsport, got her mom to hold the noodle and videoed it. Seemed like this was a case where a picture is worth a thousand words. The video is posted on the Softball Performance blog.

After I posted the video, I noticed a couple of other flaws in her delivery, not the least of which was turning her shoulders out early. This is something she struggles with from time to time. But because I was focused on the point of the drill -- what her pitching hand was doing so someone reading the post could see what I was talking about -- I didn't even think to look at the rest of her delivery.

This is one of the issues with shooting a quick video to help illustrate a point. It was simply a matter of pulling out the video camera I always carry with me, pointing and shooting. It was not a professional DVD I'm selling that shows Ken Krause's complete method for throwing the changeup. It was just a quick look at a single point.

If you looked at that video you might be tempted to look at her overall mechanics, and if you see what I see there the value of pulling the noodle through the release zone might get lost. We could get into a whole discussion about posture, when the hand turns, how far apart her feet were spread, the action of her shoulders etc. But the point was to find a way for this pitcher (and others who have the issue) to feel what her hand should be doing so she can learn to improve that aspect of the pitch.

I think that's something everyone needs to keep in mind. Look at what the point of a drill on video is first, and see if it is helping the player learn what the coach is trying to get her to learn. If the mechanics aren't ideal in the execution of other parts of the skill it may not be a function of the drill. It could be a function of the player and where she is in the learning process. Perhaps the coach will work on other flaws later, feeling they are a lower priority than whatever is being worked on with this drill.

Key thing to remember is everything can't be first. You have to start somewhere. With hitting in particular you need to prioritize -- what is absolutely essential to giving the hitter a measure of success/improvement now, especially if corrections are being made in-season? What issues can wait until later to correct?

Remember that kids generally will be far more inspired to put in the hard work if they see some measure of payoff quickly. Correct the big stuff first, and sweat the small stuff down the road. Yes, the small stuff might be what it takes to get to the elite level. But if they don't make it past the lower levels due to frustration or lack of performance, they'll never have a shot at the elite level. Just my two cents.
 
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Nice post Ken. I have found out working with young kids, you can over load them if you are not careful. I try to fix only a few things and won't proceed in the next lesson till they have master that skill. Many are trying to be helpful , but I have got many PM's that have no clue what some are talking about. If you are looking at a 12 year old keep it at that level.
 
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The Hanson Principle (… the one to use)
“Always compare what anybody tells you about the swing to slow motion clips of the best hitters in the world”.
-- Mark Hanson
 
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The Hanson Principle (… the one to use)
“Always compare what anybody tells you about the swing to slow motion clips of the best hitters in the world”.
-- Mark Hanson

O'Leary's first corollary...

"Always know the context of clips in order to keep from drawing incorrect conclusions from them."
 
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Oleary's second corollary...

"Beware of any person or school whose entire theory is based on just a couple of clips of a couple of hitters. If something is truly a good idea, you will see it repeated pretty much everywhere."
 
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Nice post Ken. I have found out working with young kids, you can over load them if you are not careful. I try to fix only a few things and won't proceed in the next lesson till they have master that skill. Many are trying to be helpful , but I have got many PM's that have no clue what some are talking about. If you are looking at a 12 year old keep it at that level.




Sb

Good point!!

Not take MLB players and just say make your 12 year old 110 lb girl swing like them.
See allot of that from some posters on here



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Yup Ken, good points.

In one of my posts I said if I don't like a drill -----it's simple--------don't use it.

Clarification, at times, is good.

Straight leg, said not to put up MLB players as examples. I disagree, very respectfully straight leg.
Here's why----the best do it the best----having your kid, my kid, whoever---working towards emulating the best is not a bad thing.

That said, what happens is this, let's just say there is an aspect of your kid's swing that you are working on and you happen to use an MLB player and say "This is our goal",,,,what happens is people look at that MLB clip, look at your kid / student and say---"Well that's not even close." To which I say "No kidding"....Imo, and this is not meant arrogantly----looking at clips takes some objectivity.

When I commented on Straighleg's daughter,,,,first off "I see some very good things in that clip." I really do. But I commented on it in the light of----maybe this would be a good "next step"---really hoping for some feed back. Didn't happen. That is the Dad's and the instructor's perogative. And I respect that.

And after viewing some of the comments ----I really don't blame them. Especially the one about

"I was wondering, who is Bustos' coach." Funny. Made me chuckle.

:)
 

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Another thing that comes up with video is we see a lot of clips of MLB hitters being successful -- hitting home runs mostly. That's good, gives us something to emulate. Same with WCWS clips.

But the truth is even the pros don't always swing like what we see in those home run clips. Where are the clips of them popping up or grounding out, with the analysis of why that happened? Did their hands get a little ahead of where they should be because they got fooled? Did they lose their rhythm or look for something else? Or was it just a bad swing?

Some great players get into slumps. While a lot of it is probably mental, especially with long slumps, they will also go to the video to see if they can figure out what they're not doing right. I wonder if the examples we use for the Hansen Principle match up to their own clips themselves? I've certainly seen analysis on other sites that show the differences between a player's successful swings from the past and current swings when they're having trouble.

But again, when looking at drills I think you have to separate the point of the drill from the start-to-finish analysis of mechanics. Sometimes you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette.
 

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