Specific grip for a drop ball???

[sbcowboy]

Java. Is the roll and turnover the same pitch?

I am trying to understand the release and how the ball comes off the fingers? Do u delay the turning of the shoulders? Looks as if the first pitcher waits on closing and then explodes to closing. Literally jumps to close. On a normal I/R release u have 1/ 7 rotation. How do u get to verticle? I am confused! Slomo?

Thanks Java!

 

[Boomers2012]

Hey Boomers...maybe we can car pool and go see Java together. Heck, we might as well just leave Java's and head to Rick's and BM's...lol!!!

Boomer Sooner!

That would defenitely be one heck of an educational trip!

 

[javasource]

My rollover pitcher was really good, but she had trouble controlling the thing so she usually threw it as a drop curve.

They can go hand-in-hand, that's for sure.

 

[javasource]

Java. Is the roll and turnover the same pitch?

IMO, yep.

I am trying to understand the release and how the ball comes off the fingers?

I/R involves pronation of the forearm... i.e. palm up to palm down. In this process, the ball comes off the fingers. Not sure what you mean... hope that answers it...

Do u delay the turning of the shoulders?

IMO, no... it's just enhanced with the shoulder motion and anticipated follow-through.

Looks as if the first pitcher waits on closing and then explodes to closing. Literally jumps to close.

In all pitches, the arm is moving forward... In this pitch, the pitchers center of gravity is forward (body mass). When you couple the lift of the shoulder, the arm moving forward, the COG forward, and her linear energy being sent forward... this is the result.

On a normal I/R release u have 1/ 7 rotation. How do u get to verticle?

That's why I mentioned the thumb. The release mechanics and posture shift do the work for you.
You really ought to try it on for size, sb... yourself... providing you can I/R a 1/7, which I assume (from previous conversation).

 

[riseball]

What I find strange is how a pitcher will experiment with various pitches and grips and then finds something that works well. But because it does not fit the mold of a traditional pitch, they are unsatisfied and will even abandon the pitch. Consider the example of the rollover drop, morphing into a drop curve which is pretty common. Instead of owning it and perfecting a good pitch into a great pitch that moves through two planes that they can put into a tea cup, they see it as a problem. IMO if it moves and you can put it where it is effective it is a good pitch.

 

[riseball]

...we face one of those pitchers and after 3 years of seeing her pitch exactly the same, we have her figured out.)...

So it was not an effective pitch, yet it took you 3 years to figure it out?

 

[Spartans21]

The righty drop curve on righty is not effective in HS ball, especially when a pitcher is not committed to the rollover or the drop curve and does not know which one will come out of her hand. Or if all she throws is the drop curve (we face one of those pitchers and after 3 years of seeing her pitch exactly the same, we have her figured out.)

We don't have time or expertise to work on this sort of thing in HS. What you are saying is that the pitch is hard to master. If something is easier to master and works, I say go for that instead. If you have more time to practice and less need to win TB games (or you are a lefty), then go for mastering one or both of these pitches. But life is short.

How the heck is a pitch that is breaking down and away from a hitter not effective?

 

[Rick Pauly]

This video should depict the release action being described above......don't over complicate it. A good I/R fastball release action and a "snapover" drop action are identical. As JavaSource has indicated the ball comes off the fingers in a near peeling action. As a matter of fact, 99% of pitchers who go through all kinds of gyrations throwing a roll drop and think they get their fingers over/on top of the ball at release really don't.....they look just like this. So, again, keep it simple.

 

[NorthMS]

Mr. Rick, what is the name of the above pitch? My DD throws her "fastball" this way, but it's always had a drop to it.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

Just so I am on the same page (and it appears others have this question as well). For the turnover drop...there isn't an actual doorknob turn as much as it's keeping the palm up and turning over the top of the ball?

1. My DD want's to know how this differs from the fastball.
2. How do you get the four seams towards home (with a four seam grip). It appears it would be two seams, but clearly we are doing it wrong.

Perhaps the answers in the audio to the video posted above (can't hear it at work).