On this clip I can use the cursor keys to toggle back and forth so I'll link it for this question. What angle do you see for the hips and chest at heel plant and what angle do you see the hips as the arm goes past the hips? At heel plant what do see in terms of different angles of the hips and upper torso and shoulders? MOV 3 of 3, Windmill
Open vs Closed Pitching Style
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That's my understanding of the definition of open as well. Of course there is always the matter of degree and what about the hip snap I see in the Finch clip with her arm at about 10 o clock even though I suppose she would be classed as an "open" pitcher. What function do we attribute to that hip movement? MOV 2 of 3, Windmill I can frame by frame this one too with the cursor keys.
sometimes I'll struggle with the ideas that what we taught for years, that worked for years, is now bio-mechanically incorrect or physics shows us more efficient ways as the game progresses. I can appreciate today's technologies to help the girls become quicker and more efficient in our mechanics, and our ability to learn higher levels of strategy, though I'm not really convinced yet that WHAT we are teaching in terms of pitching and batting is always BETTER then what we used to teach. (Pitching-today, serious girls are working with video, 5+ days a week, with pitching coaches; batting, girls are working with specialized hitting coaches, 4-5+ days a week AND with composite or end loaded bats engineered to make the ball travel faster and farther.)
*** So, if what we pitching (and batting) mechanics we taught in the past was being taught today with the amount of time, effort video and today's equipment, would the girls today not do better anyway?
I understand the game changes, but what we did in the past worked! Nonnetheless, I believe that if we are preparing girls for potential to play at higher levels, we have to prepare them for what those coaches expect to see.
*** So, if what we pitching (and batting) mechanics we taught in the past was being taught today with the amount of time, effort video and today's equipment, would the girls today not do better anyway?
I understand the game changes, but what we did in the past worked! Nonnetheless, I believe that if we are preparing girls for potential to play at higher levels, we have to prepare them for what those coaches expect to see.
It almost seems that the college coaches, would just like a talented student athlete, w/o all of the specialized training.
These first few weeks in the fall, Candrea seems to start as if the girls have never held a softball before. He often states that he is aggravated that they don't know how to play catch.
I wonder if baseball coaches have to do that at the college level?
These first few weeks in the fall, Candrea seems to start as if the girls have never held a softball before. He often states that he is aggravated that they don't know how to play catch.
I wonder if baseball coaches have to do that at the college level?
Morning Amy. Mike C often states defense is mainly catching the ball and throwing it , yet players today don't spend enough time working this skill. and when they do...... He has said it numerous years and I agree.... often times, coaches leave the girls to warm-up throwing and do NOT walk down lines, ensuring their mechanics are correct.
I wish coaches, especially at the younger levels, where the girls develop their habits, would spend more time teaching them correctly.
(( I watch teams warm-up and watch girls mechanics and nobody is correcting them. I recently watched a 12U LL team with coaches in the dugout and girls warming up in the grass and most of them did not know how to bring their hands to the ball, rotate the ball to face away from their target at the ear, step into their throws, feet placement wrong, or rotate into their throws and MOST didn't know to snap or follow through.. it was predominantly, pull the ball straight back and shotput it to their receiver, dragging their elbows and generally high releases on the ball with slow rotation.........
I wish coaches, especially at the younger levels, where the girls develop their habits, would spend more time teaching them correctly.
(( I watch teams warm-up and watch girls mechanics and nobody is correcting them. I recently watched a 12U LL team with coaches in the dugout and girls warming up in the grass and most of them did not know how to bring their hands to the ball, rotate the ball to face away from their target at the ear, step into their throws, feet placement wrong, or rotate into their throws and MOST didn't know to snap or follow through.. it was predominantly, pull the ball straight back and shotput it to their receiver, dragging their elbows and generally high releases on the ball with slow rotation.........
I don't see any "hip snap" on the Finch clip. I've seen what you're talking about on a couple of the other clips, but nothing here that I would classify as an attempt to add anything to the pitch. Of course, I'm still not convinced the other hip snaps are a conscious effort either and probably won't be until I hear one of those pitchers saying "This is what I do and this is why I do it."
Video can also be deceiving. It's easy to assign signficance to things based on our own interpretation and beliefs. Sometimes it's true, sometimes it's not.
Amy-A: During pitching practice, I use the "breaks" to work fielding and throwing work from the circle. I think too often the pitchers are not getting enough fielding work from the circle. I use her 2nd break to work the mental approach (situational and what she expects they may do, what she should plan to beat specific type batters, pressure w/ tying and winning runners on, blues, etc.
Next Candrea clinic is in a couple weeks. 1st time in 5 years I won't be there. I've moved and I don't have anyne this year to go out there with. (was Maryland, now southern VA.)
Next Candrea clinic is in a couple weeks. 1st time in 5 years I won't be there. I've moved and I don't have anyne this year to go out there with. (was Maryland, now southern VA.)
OK, hip movement.
I never ever said it was a conscious effort to do anything. The training goal causes the mind to begin to organize itself to accomplish the goal. Not at all necessarily a conscious thing. Witness the MLB hitters who absolutely believe they do something video reveals they don't do. And yet they perform at a high level.
Quite so. I look for the constants.
I agree. I've seen the same things. When I'm doing pitching lessons I'll watch the girls throwing overhand and I'm often appalled by what I see. If there's time in the lesson I will work with them on their throwing.
It seems like everyone is in a hurry to get to the "good stuff," so they just rush through throwing and catching. Yet it's the foundation of everything. If you don't spend the time on throwing and catching, don't be surprised if none of the other stuff works.
