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Dec 20, 2012
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If you are allowed to do anything you want, I am going to sign up to do surgery at the local hospital and then I am going over the court and signing in as a J.D. To finish it off, I am going to start a computer business because I installed some software at home.

You may get to coach, but be realistic about it. And you may get kids that already know enough or have the talent to do well. But they know you don't know the sport. So you have to make up for not having the intuition and communication about it from living it as a kid on through adult. So get some help when you coach by bringing in specialists. Videos or having a kid do the sport are not enough.

Understand you are lucky, let's say in girls sports, or sports like wrestling or golf. Because in the popular boys sports, many times they would not let a non-player near anything, as they have more people interested in coaching.

First off I don't know of very many people(men) that have not played a sport at some point in their life. So the chances of having a parent that NEVER had any expeience at a sport is not very likely. That goes back to my qustion, at what level must you have played in order to coach?? True, those who have not played a sport professionally are often overlooked to coach in the pros. But does that mean because you were a pro you are the most qualified?

Not sure what part of the country you are in, around here wrastlin is a big time sport. I would say wrestling is one of the sports you most likely need prior experience or would have been an asst. to LEARN the sport. Simply because of how complexed moves are. I would say the same about gymnastics but one of the greatest coaches ever, Bela Karlyi, never competed as a gymnast. In fact he was a boxer and threw the hammer. Not sure why he would be qualified to coach the women's US gymnastic team to 9 gold medals? Oh because he studied the sport and took gymanstic classes. The same way MANY bucket dads(and moms) have studied pitching and have gone to clinic after clinic.

I would compare golf to pitching or hitting. You can disect a pitch or swing and point out every detail that is done right or wrong. You do not have to be a former player to do this. If you have never played you can not explain game time jitters, anxieties, highs, and lows. Nothing can give you that but experience. I do agree with you on this. Not everyone that has a dd that throws can be a pitching coach. But there are several out there that put out the effort to actually learn the game.

I never played fastpitch softball, I played baseball, football, basketball. But in no way did that give me the credentials to teach my daughter to pitch. We started with a PC and I listened to everything he said. At games I talked to every parent that had a kid that threw. OK, started learning that what their kid is being taught is quite a bit different than mine. Started going to small clinics, got to talk to Ernie Parker as well as Jennie Finch and Lisa Fernandez. 2 different styles but both successful. After a year or so we shopped around for new PC. Would go to at least 4 lessons before making a decsion to stay or go. Most were past DI players, some held school records at top 25 teams, one with WCWS starts under her belt. I soaked up every bit of info I could from them. As she got older and getting recruited we had the privilege of getting to work with Doug Gillis and Mike White. Not to mention all the camps attended on UV's. By just attending these events would I or anyone else know a thing about pitching? NO. But by paying attention and asking questions or staying after and finally getting run off because I am drilling the PC's on the why's and how's of everything they do. My daughter gives lessons, I used to watch and make sure she was doing a good job. But I know I do not need to now because when she learned to pitch we didn't do things "just because". It's not that she can pitch, it's she knows pitching/ For everything she did there was a purpose. If she is struggling she can tell you why. Do you know how many pitchers(or athletes in general) can't tell you why things do what they do? Why is your rise balls staying flat? I don't know. I'll tell you right now a pretty good majority of pitchers go to lessons once a week or maybe 2 weeks, during summer it is even more hit and miss. Now the other 26-29 days of the month who do you think is working with that kid??? THE PARENT. Do you think they have any idea of what they are doing? Do you think all the knowledge the girls need to learn to throw is gained in a 1 hr every other week?? No, at one point the parent is actually the student, learning to pitch just in order to explain it to their 8 yr old that can't heads or tails of what she is doing. But, hey,that's just what I think.
 
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Oct 22, 2009
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It is a matter of experience and track record. There is no question pitchers who HAVE pitched have an advantage over those that have not. Does that make all pitchers effective pitching COACHES? I have seen plenty of examples in our area to say definitely no. I don't disagree with any of the PCs on this board who have that experience, and if any of them lived in my area, I would definitely look to refer my pitchers to them.

A newbie pitching coach is not going to start at a high level no matter what - you will start with the younger kids in rec and TB. They are rarely going to get a student who has been taking lessons for a long time without some recommendations, track record, or pedigree of working with pitchers. Same with a college pitcher. Would you entrust your DD pitcher on an 18U Gold team to a brand new PC right out of college? It's your money, but in most cases I would say no. PC's that develop a track record and following do so over a long period of time. The good ones, regardless of whether they played the game, are sought after because they work to make themselves successful PCs. You don't develop a following for very long if your students don't prove themselves on the field.
 
Jun 13, 2009
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For us, the lightbulb moment went off when we started working with our coach. Not only did what he say make total sense but he demonstrated it too. His body type (very slim) debunked the age old myths that men can do things because they are so much stronger. While that statement is true on it's face that doesn't mean they are doing things correctly. As our coach said "If this was about muscle, I would not look like this".

But for my DD, it hit home when he said he'd never played baseball. He'd been playing fastpitch softball since he was physically able, throwing in a men's league at 12 years old. This point was very important because he told my DD that no matter what problem she faces, what motion of pitching she uses, grip of the ball, etc. he has also been through it. He has tried every riseball grip, every drop ball motion, etc. That experience was a difference maker for us. That he understands and has been through it.

CG
 
May 30, 2013
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I think that former player, or not, a person can study mechanics, how to ingrain them, and what "flaws" to look for and strategies to correct them; and effectively instruct young pitcher. But as a player ages and progresses, I think "coaching" becomes more than instilling solid mechanics. There is a very important mental and strategic aspect to fastpitching, especially once fundamental mechanics are ingrained, and a player begins to utilize spin, speed, and placement to gain an advantage. At that point, a PC who is also a former player (at a high level) becomes an important asset, IMO.
 
Mar 28, 2013
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Lots of former pitchers trying to be pitching coaches in this area and most of them are clueless. I train both my girls, study pitching daily,learn from the best(Including some on this site). As a former Olympic athlete and world record holder I believe 75% of all sport including pitching is mental. The training I received from the best coaches in the world when it comes to sport allows me to bring something to the table that allot of former pitchers cant. I think you just have to do some research to find the best fit for you young pitcher. Its not a cookie cutter endeavor for sure.
 
Aug 29, 2011
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Dave Duncan one of the best pitching coaches in MLB the last ~3 decades was a middling back up cacther in MLB.

I don't think you NEED to be a former fast-pitch pitcher to be a good pitching coach but being a former fast-pitch pitcher might lead to a much faster learning curve to be a successful pitching coach.

I'm sure there are great picthing coaches who never pitched day in their lives and I'm sure there are horrible pitching coaches who were very sucessful pitchers in their day. And I'm sure it goes the other way too.

Being able to spot flaws, and offere instruction to correct those flaws is sometimes quite different than being able to perform the skill itself. Good communication in a coach is just as, if not more, important than a coaches actual knowledge.
 
May 31, 2011
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It happens. At the end of the day, you really have to look at what they have produced. I'm sure there are lots of PCs who have produced college pitchers who never pitched. That being said, given the choice, I'll go with a former pitcher, but I'd be OK sending my kid to a non-pitching PC who had produced good pitchers.
 
Jul 16, 2008
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Jackson Vaughn is the Coach for the 2 time NCAA Div III Champions Linfield Wildcats, he was a Football coach for Linfield before being asked to coach Softball. Soooooo as others pointed out, playing the game does not make you a good coach.
 
Apr 19, 2013
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Just because someone has not actually pitched a softball does not mean they can't be a pitching coach. Just because you are a coach does not mean you are a good coach. There are lots of people that call themselves "coaches" but should not be coaching anyone's child.

When DD started pitching I studied every video and book to learn the basics to get her started with the right mechanics..when she outgrew what my knowledge was, she was moved to a pitching coach. Now she goes to the best one in our area, who hasn't actually pitched but produces more scholarship pitchers than anyone for miles around.
 

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