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[Westwind]

The article on Flo refers to “PSA’s as young as 6th and 7th grade”....

 

[GoGamecocks]

The article on Flo refers to “PSA’s as young as 6th and 7th grade”....

The real question is, if you're recruiting them no matter what the age, how can you argue with a straight face that they're not a prospective student athlete?

 

[Gtrips07]

The real question is, if you're recruiting them no matter what the age, how can you argue with a straight face that they're not a prospective student athlete?

It depends what the definition of what is is...

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[_MIA_]

If only HS school kids were being recruited I doubt this whole thing would have been put into action hence my
guess is that they will make sure that pre-K - MS is covered

 

[Gtrips07]

If only HS school kids were being recruited I doubt this whole thing would have been put into action hence my
guess is that they will make sure that pre-K - MS is covered

DD is in 5th grade, need to start making calls

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[GoGamecocks]

So if Jennie Finch gets pregnant, you can start negotiating while the child is in utero?

"Its a boy."

Dammit!

Edit: turns out Jennie has a 5-year old girl. Wonder where she's signed? https://celebritybabies.people.com/2012/09/12/jennie-finch-blog-pregnant-girl-two-under-two/

 

[MNDad]

Attorney here.

The definition of prospective student athlete here is from the NCAA BASKETBALL rules, and if you dig deeper on the site posted, you'll see that their definition also digs down as deep as 7th grade.

The intent of these rules is to prevent early recruiting of young athletes, and you are CRAZY if you think the NCAA is going to turn a blind eye on coaches who decide to recruit 8th graders and 7th graders because they don't technically fit within the PSA definition. If you're the coach, are you going to stake your program on such a (ridiculous) position?

Its not my position and I understand and agree with the intent. The definition isn’t specific to basketball. Look up PSA yourself if you don’t believe me.

As for coaches, nobody ever intended for junior high kids to be recruited, yet here we are. If it’s not expressly prohibited or if there’s a loop hole people will take advantage of it. There’s no risk for coaches for breaking the intent, only the specific language. As an attorney I’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience with that.

 

[GoGamecocks]

Its not my position and I understand and agree with the intent. The definition isn’t specific to basketball. Look up PSA yourself if you don’t believe me.

As for coaches, nobody ever intended for junior high kids to be recruited, yet here we are. If it’s not expressly prohibited or if there’s a loop hole people will take advantage of it. There’s no risk for coaches for breaking the intent, only the specific language. As an attorney I’m sure you’ve had plenty of experience with that.

You're misreading the language or taking it out of context. The "prospective student athlete" is defined in NCAA bylaw 13.02.13 You can read that definition here: https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=17967#result. This defines a PSA as a 9th grader OR a kid who gets financial assistance or other benefit that the school doesn't generally provide to other students. I think it is fair to say that most colleges do not provide scholarship or early-admission offers to 7th or 8th graders.

But the proposed new NCAA rule would prohibit contact with a prospective student athlete until September 1 of their junior year. Is 6th or 7th or 8th grade BEFORE September 1 of the junior year? There is no ambiguity here. The rule intends to PROHIBIT all contact before the 11th grade year. Any reading of the NCAA bylaws that suggests otherwise is simply wrong.

 

[Rambler34]

You're misreading the language or taking it out of context. The "prospective student athlete" is defined in NCAA bylaw 13.02.13 You can read that definition here: https://web3.ncaa.org/lsdbi/search/bylawView?id=17967#result. This defines a PSA as a 9th grader OR a kid who gets financial assistance or other benefit that the school doesn't generally provide to other students. I think it is fair to say that most colleges do not provide scholarship or early-admission offers to 7th or 8th graders.

But the proposed new NCAA rule would prohibit contact with a prospective student athlete until September 1 of their junior year. Is 6th or 7th or 8th grade BEFORE September 1 of the junior year? There is no ambiguity here. The rule intends to PROHIBIT all contact before the 11th grade year. Any reading of the NCAA bylaws that suggests otherwise is simply wrong.

From an assistant for your beloved Gamecocks kids younger than HS become PSA's as soon as any type of recruiting talks happens. So technically they are not according to these by-laws but as soon as a school tried to have any type of conversation with them they become PSA's.

 

[Rambler34]

The only thing I really don't like is the fact coaches cannot invite kids to camp. You don't have to talk about offers or host an unofficial when a girl is at camp but it would be nice if they could at least show attention in order to help guide girls in the right direction instead of trying to hit every camp possible to get in front of coaches who may or may not be interested.