Is the slip pitch a legal pitch?

[Filterbing]

I'm sure I saw this discussion before but can't find it.

I'm not sure if this link will work. The pitch I'm asking about is a change up that is delivered in the first motion forward with the pitching hand, releasing the ball and them continuing the windmill motion empty handed.

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[Greatdaytobeawildcat]

USA 6A.3.M. The pitcher shall not make another revolution after releasing the ball.

 

[Filterbing]

I also found this clip showing the hand not passing the hip twice.

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[uncdrew]

Yeah, I've read that if you can stop the arm from crossing in front of the body on the last rotation it's considered legal.

But what actually happens at the park with your umpires? Who knows?

 

[Top_Notch]

I don't know if it is or isn't, but it is durty...

 

[Axe]

It's illegal. Arm passing the hip or some loophole doesn't matter. You aren't allowed to make a rotation of the arm after releasing the pitch.

 

[Filterbing]

Yeah, I've read that if you can stop the arm from crossing in front of the body on the last rotation it's considered legal.

But what actually happens at the park with your umpires? Who knows?

I've seen it in a game before with opposing pitcher. We asked the umps and they said it was legal. I don't remember the sanction but probably softball nation. I also don't recall if she followed through past the hip twice.

 

[sluggers]

Illegal under NCAA rules:

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10.6.5. The pitcher may not make another arm revolution after releasing the ball.​

 

[Gags]

USSSA 6.1.G.5 (pg. 35):

THE PITCHER MAY USE ANY WINDUP DESIRED PROVIDED: [...]
5. The pitcher does not continue to wind up after taking the forward step or after the ball is released.

NOTE: Continuation of the windup is considered any action that, after the ball is released, causes the arm to continue to rotate past the shoulder.

There was a discussion on here a year or so ago - may have used a term other than slip pitch. Either way - sounds like all these rules are specifically written to avoid the exact situation you described. If the pitcher could stop her hand in time from rotating past her shoulder, but still "sell it" for a split-second to make it look like a regular delivery, it could work. But I can't see this being used successfully more than 2 or 3 times a game.

Maybe just save it for that special a**hole coach we all seem to keep coming across at every level.

 

[CMMom1740]

Check this thread I posted about a year ago. If you page far enough into it, you'll see the actual pitch I was describing in the initial post. ETA: Video is on p. 2.

Fell Victim to the Chinese Change Up

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