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Only if we can play with 5 a side. Right field is an automatic out, pitchers circle is a force out instead of first, and we can have invisible runners on third, when the baserunner is back up to bat.
yeah, no
Please say more. Something here needs to be excised. Because most people would not conflate advocating for allowing kids to play a game without undue interference with calling balls and strikes.
I think the question for you to answer may be, at what point is an umpire "undue interference"?
I sat through a freshman football game yesterday where false start was called 6 times in a row, both teams at fault. Then one clean play, then false start, then clean play, then 3 more false starts. Both coaches yelling, fans booing, 1H momentum killed. No FSs called in the 2H, and not because they didn’t happen.
Softball equivalent would be calling an illegal hop or replant every time, which has been happening more frequently since the penalty was lightened up a few years ago. Because it’s near impossible to fix hops and replants mid-game, calling them over and over is effectively a way to push a pitcher out of the game.
Ever seen a young batter called out because they had a yellow jersey, or yellow cleats or a yellow grip? Or earnings that they couldn’t take out because they just got their ears pierced?
I one time saw a 7 y.o. ejected for throwing a bat, no prior warning given.
What about the recent discussion on this board re: the look back rule applied to a 9 yo tucking in their shirt?
No one appreciates when rules are under-applied, nor when they are over-applied. What’s appropriate will vary by level, but we’ve all seen both sides.
My guess is that the original post for this thread was about a 10u or 12u game. Am I right?
Softball equivalent would be calling an illegal hop or replant every time, which has been happening more frequently since the penalty was lightened up a few years ago. Because it’s near impossible to fix hops and replants mid-game, calling them over and over is effectively a way to push a pitcher out of the game.
Ever seen a young batter called out because they had a yellow jersey, or yellow cleats or a yellow grip? Or earnings that they couldn’t take out because they just got their ears pierced?
I one time saw a 7 y.o. ejected for throwing a bat, no prior warning given.
What about the recent discussion on this board re: the look back rule applied to a 9 yo tucking in their shirt?
No one appreciates when rules are under-applied, nor when they are over-applied. What’s appropriate will vary by level, but we’ve all seen both sides.
My guess is that the original post for this thread was about a 10u or 12u game. Am I right?
"Just let the kids play"
There are rules of the game and it is the umpire's job to enforce those rules. Yes, the kids can play but they have to play within the confines of the rules. If you don't want rules enforced then don't bother hiring umpire's.
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theres nuance as to what rules and when. It’s not one size fits all.
ref: 35’ and 11” ball at 10U
thanks
Last time I checked, these were in the rules, not in some umpires discretion to change the game.
If the HC knows these things are against the rules, why are they putting that P in the game? Are they EXPECTING that an umpire will let them skirt the rule?
Nope, it was actually a mental exercise created by a play in the Oklahoma/Iowa State game from this weekend.
Depending on the circumstances of the thrown bat.....ejection may have been appropriate.
Are there times when an umpire 'fails to see' something happen? Sure, but guess what, every time an umpire does that, they create an unfair disadvantage for the team that knows/plays by the rules as written. I have said in other posts, yes, there is an art to umpiring, knowing what the spirit and intent of a rule are as well as the written word, but that does NOT mean (as it seems some took my comments to mean) that an umpire can get creative about what rules to enforce when.
