HLP vs the High level movement pattern

[_MIA_]

How is it not torque? That is applying a force 90 degrees to the lever no? Serious question Im trying not to hurt my head here haha.

The two forces (equal in direction and magnitude in this case) of hands acting do result in a moment about any other point than the points where the forces act (COG for example) so I guess technically you are correct...accept for those two points. You have to define where your moments are being taken about.

When you said applied torque I was thinking more along the lines of two opposite directed forces of the hands which could be thought of as a torque applied directly to the handle.

Again for the first case, how you hold the bat will determine how much rotation of the barrel you get. If your hands are rigid, the barrel won't rotate at all (you can move the bat in the way you mentioned without getting any rotation of the barrel..it gets harder to do so the faster you move it)

 

[clemenslee1]

The two forces (equal in direction and magnitude in this case) of hands acting do result in a moment about any other point than the points where the forces act (COG for example) so I guess technically you are correct...accept for those two points. You have to define where your moments are being taken about.

When you said applied torque I was thinking more along the lines of two opposite directed forces of the hands which could be thought of as a torque applied directly to the handle.

Again for the first case, how you hold the bat will determine how much rotation of the barrel you get. If your hands are rigid, the barrel won't rotate at all (you can easily move the bat in the way you mentioned without getting any rotation of the barrel)

This is what I'm thinking of,

 

[_MIA_]

This is what I'm thinking of,

Like I said, in the first case the barrel will rotate as well..how much depends on how the hands hold the bat.

 

[clemenslee1]

Like I said, in the first case the barrel will rotate as well..how much depends on how the hands hold the bat.

If the hands are loose enough to allow the heavy end of the bat to fall?

 

[jamesd1628]

This seems likes a "mass follows force" conversation, which this guy covers well:

 

[_MIA_]

If the hands are loose enough to allow the heavy end of the bat to fall?

It would rotate even in the absence of gravity.

 

[_MIA_]

Of course it is possible for the hands/forearms to apply force in such a way that they apply a direct torque to the handle while also resulting in linear motion (eg a nonzero resultant force in a direction)

 

[_MIA_]

When I was a kid, best part about ball was that it wasn't school....just saying

 

[clemenslee1]

Of course it is possible for the hands/forearms to apply force in such a way that they apply a direct torque to the handle while also resulting in linear motion (eg a nonzero resultant force in a direction)

What would be a visual example of that?

It done gone scientific

 

[Mike-Coach Q]

Of course it is possible for the hands/forearms to apply force in such a way that they apply a direct torque to the handle while also resulting in linear motion (eg a nonzero resultant force in a direction)

This is where I was off for a long time. The barrel had too much loop in it causing a difficult path to the ball. By loading the back muscles and loading the hands a specific way, we were able to take the big loop out of the swing. This all fell in to place understanding the forearm position and TTB perpendicular to the forearm.