Hips or the Hands or both simultaneously(lets keep it simple)?

[_MIA_]

Honestly ... what is taking place is a lot more simple than attempting to turn the barrel blindly into a rearward arc.

During the initial usage of the torso/hip-engine the upper lead arm is put on plane with the incoming pitch ... this pulls on the lead arm ... and the hands are working to turn the barrel in-line with the lead-arm.

I get what you are saying in terms of using the lead arm for direction but if you consider the ball to be a point in space you can draw an infinite amount of planes through it and hence every hitter crappy or not is getting his or her lead arm "on plane" with the ball..just choose an appropriate one

 

[Work=wins]

Just so we're all on the same page, is this what we're all calling he "torso"....

...and thusly, the legs play no part in "getting behind the ball"?

Same as 5. I haven’t read Dixon. But that’s my definition as well.

 

[Work=wins]

I tend to look at it this way ....

On an outside pitch the "torso" is later in "time", with the 'hands' earlier in the 'swing'.

On an inside pitch the "torso" is earlier in "time", with the 'hands later in the 'swing'.

Yes you Hitting snob!! LOL. I love it ... earlier but later and later but earlier ... let the good times roll.. anything for at least 1 head scratch!

 

[HittingFanatic]

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...4IKygA&biw=1338&bih=593#imgrc=KOi3xxxGHLye1M:


Im a clown. Not sure how to get just the GIF on here.

I have a hard time seeing what is moving first. I still want to say hands, but maybe because that's what my brain is stuck on.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I get what you are saying in terms of using the lead arm for direction but if you consider the ball to be a point in space you can draw an infinite amount of planes through it and hence every hitter crappy or not is getting his or her lead arm "on plane" with the ball..just choose an appropriate one

Aww ... so let's add clarity.

I tell my hitters, even when working off of a tee, to imagine the path of the ball coming from an imaginary pitcher to where it is on the tee. I want to see their upper lead arm work towards alignment (from a good handset orientation) during the initial usage of their torso/hip-engine.

It is not the case that "crappy" hitters do this. Perhaps I am 'fortunate'/'unfortunate' ... but I get several hitters that are arms based and have little understanding of levering the ball early on.

 

[Work=wins]

FYI... Dixon's book "Exceptional Player" is a good read...

Got a copy you want to get rid of?

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Yes you Hitting snob!! LOL. I love it ... earlier but later and later but earlier ... let the good times roll.. anything for at least 1 head scratch!

It's why I continue to use Mudder's cue of hitting with the rear hip several years after he shared it. I promote timing the ball with the torso/hips ... and MB's cue helps young hitters get used to that mentality.

 

[julray]

FFS - Would you consider these swings to be examples of what you're talking about?...

Oh yeah, that's a great video. Really shows the Hips and Rear leg driving towards pitch location. Alyssa Dicarlo's swing would be the end goal for my DD.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

https://www.google.com/search?safe=...4IKygA&biw=1338&bih=593#imgrc=KOi3xxxGHLye1M:


Im a clown. Not sure how to get just the GIF on here.

I have a hard time seeing what is moving first. I still want to say hands, but maybe because that's what my brain is stuck on.

The lead upper arm is being put on plane ....

http://number9hitting.com/index_files/image458.gif

 

[_MIA_]

Aww ... so let's add clarity.

I tell my hitters, even when working off of a tee, to imagine the path of the ball coming from an imaginary pitcher to where it is on the tee. I want to see their upper lead arm work towards alignment (from a good handset orientation) during the initial usage of their torso/hip-engine.

It is not the case that "crappy" hitters do this. Perhaps I am 'fortunate'/'unfortunate' ... but I get several hitters that are arms based and have little understanding of levering the ball early on.

From Eric's video. Still don't see how the word plane fits into any of this. Essentially you want the lead arm to be such that the hitter has his/her hands above the barrel for any (reasonable) pitch location...If you want, you can use that picture to show me the plane you are talking about..