Fly ball and tagging up and runs scores or not?

[Larrry D]

R1 on 3B, R2 and 2B. 1 Out. Huge fly ball to center. Fielded cleanly. R1 tags and advances home. R2 leaves a little early and after the play ends with R2 at 3B the coach contests and ump calls runner out.

So now the inning is over. Question is does the run count that R1 scored crossing home plate.

You can argue that she crossed home plate before R2 was called out.

or

You can argue that technically the 3 out occurred the moment that R2 left 2nd base and that was long before R1 crossed home plate. Thus no run scored. Even though the out was not confirmed until the coach challenged it.

Your thoughts.

 

[BretMan]

If the run crossed the plate BEFORE the appeal was made, then the run counts.

If the run crossed the plate AFTER the appeal was made, then the run doesn't count.

For your play the first one applies. But these two premises cover any play where the third out is against a runner appealed for leaving base too soon on a caught fly ball.

 

[Comp]

Yes the run scores.

 

[MT 73]

A lot of people confuse this as a force out because the runner does not have to be tagged during a live ball appeal.
But it is not--it is a timing play and the run counts if the runner crosses the plate before the put out.
There was a time when umpires were allowed to call a runner out for leaving early/missing a base without an appeal, but those days are now over.

 

[SCDad]

I saw it called last week in a high school game with a runner (our runner) stealing second base, and obviously leaving early.

Was the umpire wrong in calling a blatant left early at first base, even before the throw landed at second base?

Or does the defending team always have to appeal, appeal, appeal ... over aggressive base running, when I do see it called on the spot a couple times a year?

 

[Comp]

I saw it called last week in a high school game with a runner (our runner) stealing second base, and obviously leaving early.

Was the umpire wrong in calling a blatant left early at first base, even before the throw landed at second base?

Or does the defending team always have to appeal, appeal, appeal ... over aggressive base running, when I do see it called on the spot a couple times a year?

If you are talking about a runner leaving the base prior to the release of the pitch, that would be a completely different situation. If so, yes the umpire is to call it immediatly, the call is no pitch, and the offending runner is out.

 

[Larrry D]

Thanks-that is how blue called it too.

 

[Ajaywill]

If you are talking about a runner leaving the base prior to the release of the pitch, that would be a completely different situation. If so, yes the umpire is to call it immediatly, the call is no pitch, and the offending runner is out.

For HS and ASA play, this is correct.

In NCAA play, leaving the base prior to the release of the pitch is a delayed dead ball. The umpire will allow the pitch to happen, then the violation will be dealt with.