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When I view the clip above and try and perform the move myself, I tend lean more towards FFS's view of the Torso or Core/Rear hip as the "Trigger" no the hands.
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When I view the clip above and try and perform the move myself, I tend lean more towards FFS's view of the Torso or Core/Rear hip as the "Trigger" no the hands.
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Force into the handle starts the sequence of events. Sudden. Snap. Rear leg then becomes reactive.
FiveFrameSwing
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Force into the handle starts the sequence of events. Sudden. Snap. Rear leg then becomes reactive.
I respect that 'feel' ... but don't agree with it.
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So would that mean you need to thrust your hip, or pulse your core first, then swing? How can you have suddenness or adjustability doing that?
FiveFrameSwing
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I don't believe what was being termed as 'hip thrust' was actually a good description.
The torso twitching is extremely sudden. The reaction/response of the arms/hands needs to be extremely quick ... you want to be seeking plane (i.e., getting the lead-arm on plane) aggressively just as the lead arm is being pulled by the torso twitch. It isn't uncommon for the hitter to feel that both the torso-engine and forearm-engine fire at the same time ... but firing the forearm first is not a good idea IMO.
It's not which engine start first that is necessarily most important, but that they synchronize together for max power/ speed. In the hitter above (Reds hitter), his engines start at the same time or close to it,if you count TTB at part of the little engine firing.
FiveFrameSwing
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That was a point-of-emphasis I had during two teams I worked with this weekend. Synchronization is a big key.
When a hitter learns the torso-engine they find it so powerful that they immediately go on a mission to go nuts with it. That isn't the best approach IMO. Better is to learn the synchronization. A hitter could put out less effort, but be better synchronized, and be more effective.
IMO, the best way to become synchronized is to promote the forearms/hands responding/reacting to the pull of the torso-engine ... virtually immediately, but not prior.
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I don't believe what was being termed as 'hip thrust' was actually a good description.
The torso twitching is extremely sudden. The reaction/response of the arms/hands needs to be extremely quick ... you want to be seeking plane (i.e., getting the lead-arm on plane) aggressively just as the lead arm is being pulled by the torso twitch. It isn't uncommon for the hitter to feel that both the torso-engine and forearm-engine fire at the same time ... but firing the forearm first is not a good idea IMO.
Griffey is beginning to turn the barrel in the frame labeled Twitch. Hip is slipping, rear leg has won. Hands trigger, both pivot points are in action. Barrel is working rearward, rear leg pulls.
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I don't believe what was being termed as 'hip thrust' was actually a good description.
The torso twitching is extremely sudden. The reaction/response of the arms/hands needs to be extremely quick ... you want to be seeking plane (i.e., getting the lead-arm on plane) aggressively just as the lead arm is being pulled by the torso twitch. It isn't uncommon for the hitter to feel that both the torso-engine and forearm-engine fire at the same time ... but firing the forearm first is not a good idea IMO.
When reading the bold this strikes me as TWO moves. Torso-engine, then the hands need to react shortly after. IMO there isn't time for two moves.
Hands trigger and the rear leg is reactive. One move. The rearward torque of the barrel fires the whole system.
FiveFrameSwing
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Of course .... the torso engine causes the lead lat to be moved and elevated ... that pulls on the lead shoulder ... that pulls on the lead arm ... and it is during this initial pull that you want both forearm working on getting the lead arm on plane aggressively. The result is the barrel action that you see.
