Fixing a Segmented Swing and a flat lead elbow...?'s

CoachJD said:

Wait, what?

This might be one of those semantics issues in a hitting thread, but I'm way confused by this.

What do you mean by the hands "fire" first? And what do you mean by the hip extending? In those Griffey GIFs, the rear leg turns the hip first. The hands are still back (his barely even move, just a little up/back). You can see a massive amount of stretch in his jersey.

Or maybe you know all this and I just completely misunderstood what you're trying to say. That happens to me a lot in the hitting threads. I feel like almost everybody describes the same thing differently, which leads to disagreements that aren't really disagreements.

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gibraltor said:

Did you not bring up the hips and the hands talk? Did you not say hips are reactive and they get fired? You saying I derailed it because I question what you teach?

I understand the hips and the hands in the swing. Do you? If you answer yes I have some questions for you. We can discuss.

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DRDRODD said:

In the Griffey gifs the rear leg is forcing the pelvic girdle open towards the pitcher.... He isn’t firing his hips...... where are the hands when you see the pin stripe on his pants appear? That is the hip reaching Extension. He has already applied force to the handle of the bat when the hip started towards Extension. The hands are the trigger.

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CoachJD said:

I think this is mostly just disagreeing on terms. I'm with you that the "rear leg is forcing the pelvic girdle open towards the pitcher." I've always assumed that was "firing the hips."

I still don't know what you mean by "hands are the trigger." To me, that says your hands have to go first, but that would create a push swing and I know you're not advocating that.

Please watch this and tell me if you agree/disagree with the analysis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2D3dd3Sa3Z4

I'm only asking because I still feel like we probably agree but are just not on the same page with terms. I'd like to know what you think about how Antonelli breaks down Griffey's swing.

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DRDRODD said:

The video is just talking about the slack removal process aka "walking away from the hands" or what ever other term people use to describe that.

Let me try and describe the trigger analogy again. The video showed JR walking away from the hands or pulling back with the scap how ever you want to look at it. He is removing the slack in his body. During this time he is also resisting with his pelvis as his rear leg is turning inward aka "coiling". This creates a rag ring affect in the rear Hip Joint Socket (coiling/loading). When he decides to launch his swing his hands start to turn the barrel, apply torque to the handle or start to flatten the barrel depending on how you look at it but the important thing is the direction that the bat is arcing. The barrel is arching away from lets say Right Center for a RH hitter and Left Center for a LH hitter. While this arcing is taking place the stretch throughout the body is still increasing due to the direction of the arcing. When the hands decide to turn the barrel into the ball " The Trigger" the stretch that was created is released without any conscience effort from the hitter "Gets Fired". I know that this probably doesn't make any sense to you what so ever but that is the best way I can describe it. The stretch is released when the hands tell it to be released.

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FP26 said:

This sounds like "HI". Is that correct?

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DRDRODD said:

It is probably pretty close to what HI promotes (stretch wise at least) but I am not 100% sure on that. I have seen things or read things that I do not totally agree with or do not understand. My view point on the hands is more in line with Chappy at BBD and I am not sure about how the whole back leg turns you. I am more of a core guy with assistance from the leg and hip.

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