Swing down

[clemenslee1]

Here’s the same swing with a different view. Looks like different things are happening uh.

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sorry still not following. Are you saying he brings hands down behind him to get on plane with the ball?

 

[Shawn]

TDS

Swing down to swing up is fine with me. Posture plays it’s role in which case their just swinging level around their tilt.

Clemen

Take your pick, although Baez is clear at swinging down in back. Use Baez to ask your questions first.

 

[clemenslee1]

Clemen

Take your pick, although Baez is clear at swinging down in back. Use Baez to ask your questions first.

That doesn't answer what exactly "swing down in BACK" means, but I'll take your word for it.

 

[Work=wins]

 

[julray]

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So EZ to see in this GIF how Bonds is not using the rear leg as the main driver here, Bonds lowers his rear leg which is part of his unique posture at FYB. "Down to" or "Direct to" to the ball is very evident in these gifs.

Love the first GIF which is obviously a changeup. If the rear leg was the main driver, his swing would be spent and he would not be able to adjust to the off speed pitch. Because the midsection is powering the swing, he has a lot left in the tank.

Just my 2 cents

 

[jamesd1628]

A quick (and perhaps "Captain Obvious") observation from BP work yesterday. DS always starts BP with tee work. He hits about 3/4 of a bucket at maybe 65% effort, then finishes the bucket at 100% effort. During the lower-effort phase, most of his hits are straight ahead (0% launch angle), or slightly down. [Reminder here that he is a "knob to the ball/down to" hitter]. He sometimes gets frustrated when he doesn't get a little more elevation. Well, when he switched to 100% effort, he started blasting perfect line drives to the back of the net on about a 8-10% launch angle.

I would contend that this happens because, the harder he swings [i.e., the harder he is throwing his knob at the ball], the deeper the bat will go behind and down, resulting in the more "behind and through" bat path that everyone wants. His hand path remains the same, but due to the higher force applied, the bat path is much deeper. Basically what this guy talks about at about 3:45 in this video:

 

[julray]

A quick (and perhaps "Captain Obvious") observation from BP work yesterday. DS always starts BP with tee work. He hits about 3/4 of a bucket at maybe 65% effort, then finishes the bucket at 100% effort. During the lower-effort phase, most of his hits are straight ahead (0% launch angle), or slightly down. [Reminder here that he is a "knob to the ball/down to" hitter]. He sometimes gets frustrated when he doesn't get a little more elevation. Well, when he switched to 100% effort, he started blasting perfect line drives to the back of the net on about a 8-10% launch angle.

I would contend that this happens because, the harder he swings [i.e., the harder he is throwing his knob at the ball], the deeper the bat will go behind and down, resulting in the more "behind and through" bat path that everyone wants. His hand path remains the same, but due to the higher force applied, the bat path is much deeper. Basically what this guy talks about at about 3:45 in this video:

Nailed it!

I also find(not saying the same thing with your son) that warm up swings that are not 100% are also lacking posture and good sequence. This also causes the bath path to be steep when a "down/direct to" approach

 

[FP26]

A quick (and perhaps "Captain Obvious") observation from BP work yesterday. DS always starts BP with tee work. He hits about 3/4 of a bucket at maybe 65% effort, then finishes the bucket at 100% effort. During the lower-effort phase, most of his hits are straight ahead (0% launch angle), or slightly down. [Reminder here that he is a "knob to the ball/down to" hitter]. He sometimes gets frustrated when he doesn't get a little more elevation. Well, when he switched to 100% effort, he started blasting perfect line drives to the back of the net on about a 8-10% launch angle.

I would contend that this happens because, the harder he swings [i.e., the harder he is throwing his knob at the ball], the deeper the bat will go behind and down, resulting in the more "behind and through" bat path that everyone wants.

Ultimately this is all I am concerned about. I don't care if you tell your hitters to swing down, up, or sideways. As long as it results in the bold above, your hitter has a chance to be successful.

 

[julray]

Ultimately this is all I am concerned about. I don't care if you tell your hitters to swing down, up, or sideways. As long as it results in the bold above, your hitter has a chance to be successful.

Personally I'd be concerned if the hitter focusing too much on hands to create/force this barrel path... this is why the pros say what they say, demo what they demo and practice "down/direct to".

 

[Bonesaw]

This video should make it crystal clear for everyone.