1st year 14u - Swing mechanics what to work on

[Work=wins]

I don't really agree with the preset posture statement. I believe posture is established to support the hands wherever the pitch location may be. All taken from one AB with Miggy

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I also don't believe a hitter with good posture comes out their posture to hit a high pitch.. not saying it doesn't happen, but ideally it shouldn't. It's just different posture established for that pitch location.

are you using ‘stills’ ? Not a good way to make a point J. But you could use the ‘yankeesbeisbol’ sign to see that his head has lowered for each pitch while the forward bend is virtually the same.



I don’t see his chest tilt more over the plate to get to the low/outside pitch. I do see his legs adjust to the outside pitch. Notice the head is lower as well? There isn’t time to ‘adjust’ your posture. That’s why guys have the chest over the plate before foot down. Now all they have to do is adjust to height. They already have the space to work in/out. I think using forward bend as an adjuster adds slack.

here’s Miggy. Comes outta posture for the high pitch after foot down. Stays with the same forward bend during launch, regardless of location for the other 4 locations. The lower the pitch the lower the head. Believed the term is ‘sitting’. I think the adjustments are made with the legs/hands. Not the torso. We don’t have to agree. Just pointing out what I believe.

 

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[Rolling Hard]

I understand the premise of the deltoid. Too me that creates a east/west shoulder swing. Why not just create space for the hands to work, so she can be direct?

Not if you start off in a good posture with shoulders downhill slightly. While we agree on rear leg is not the driver, I think we differ on the work of the hands. The hands hold the damn bat. LOL. I am more of a "the hands get thrown off the tilt a whirl" .....with direction of course. Sometimes they don't get thrown off (maybe even pulled in) because its an inside FB and the hitter is a hair late but still wants to barrel it up. Think Mike Trout.

 

[julray]

are you using ‘stills’ ? Not a good way to make a point J. But you could use the ‘yankeesbeisbol’ sign to see that his head has lowered for each pitch while the forward bend is virtually the same.

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I don’t see his chest tilt more over the plate to get to the low/outside pitch. I do see his legs adjust to the outside pitch. Notice the head is lower as well? There isn’t time to ‘adjust’ your posture. That’s why guys have the chest over the plate before foot down. Now all they have to do is adjust to height. They already have the space to work in/out. I think using forward bend as an adjuster adds slack.

here’s Miggy. Comes outta posture for the high pitch after foot down. Stays with the same forward bend during launch, regardless of location for the other 4 locations. The lower the pitch the lower the head. Believed the term is ‘sitting’. I think the adjustments are made with the legs/hands. Not the torso. We don’t have to agree. Just pointing out what I believe.

It's all good.. but yes I used stills because it's easier to see.. and it's quite obvious in the stills I posted Miggy is establishing different postures according to pitch location. But here's the full AB, quite easy to see here as well.. full motion video is not going to change the points he arrived at in my stills



Griffey is not a good hitter to make a point either.. literally the most stand up straight hitter in the game

Just to add, posture is not always perfect in a swing, hitters get fooled, ball breaks more than they expect, and of course they get into their legs more and alter their bat path with their hands.. IMO having good posture allows them to be able to do that, like you said creates space for their hands and I agree with that.

 

[Work=wins]

right, but when you say live and independent hands you cannot say they are not then connected if they dont stay with the shoulders. Not that you said that, but maybe you did.

and BTW, i retired slow pitch a couple years ago to be lazy.

Yes they are connected anatomically to the torso via the shoulder. but to me they’re connected to the eccentric/concentric core contraction. The pulling core. I view the shoulders as part of the torso. But to connect the hands to the back or the EVEN the front shoulder is welcoming drag or push. Depending on which shoulder you connect it too. the hands/bat should be connected to the middle.

try placing a bat at your back/front shoulder and hit balls off a tee. When you use your back shoulder you will be late, when you use your front shoulder you will be early. Now connect the bat to the middle of your chest and hit balls off a tee. on time? The middle should move the bat. That’s how I see it.

 

[julray]

Betts AB establishing posture to pitch location

 

[Work=wins]

Not if you start off in a good posture with shoulders downhill slightly. While we agree on rear leg is not the driver, I think we differ on the work of the hands. The hands hold the damn bat. LOL. I am more of a "the hands get thrown off the tilt a whirl" .....with direction of course. Sometimes they don't get thrown off (maybe even pulled in) because its an inside FB and the hitter is a hair late but still wants to barrel it up. Think Mike Trout.

this leads to poor direction and pulling off pitches. See my last post to Fanboi. Try the bat on shoulder drill. This is what you are advocating for. The hands quickly outrace the shoulders in a good swing. They use the shoulders for an initial turbo boost via the contraction of the core. Nothing more. Ever notice the hands react to the stretch of the core and not the counter rotation of the shoulders?



you did say you were having issues with the outside pitch right? This might be why. The tilt o whirl is an ‘Hi’ thing. You might be mixing patterns. I know you hate it but ‘hands to the ball’ gives the swings’ direction a chance when hitting. No different than golf. Knob to the ball, hit down.

 

[Work=wins]

Betts AB establishing posture to pitch location

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the legs and hands are doing that. He isn’t side bending more. It’s not done with the torso.

 

[Work=wins]

It's all good.. but yes I used stills because it's easier to see.. and it's quite obvious in the stills I posted Miggy is establishing different postures according to pitch location. But here's the full AB, quite easy to see here as well.. full motion video is not going to change the points he arrived at in my stills



Griffey is not a good hitter to make a point either.. literally the most stand up straight hitter in the game

Just to add, posture is not always perfect in a swing, hitters get fooled, ball breaks more than they expect, and of course they get into their legs more and alter their bat path with their hands.. IMO having good posture allows them to be able to do that, like you said creates space for their hands and I agree with that.

your video is unavailable. Griffey didn’t have posture? how about these guys? Are they forward bending more or are the legs sinking them more buying time? Posture the same? I do prescribe to adjusting like Ted said, get into the legs more to hit the lower pitch.

 

[fanboi22]

Yes they are connected anatomically to the torso via the shoulder. but to me they’re connected to the eccentric/concentric core contraction. The pulling core. I view the shoulders as part of the torso. But to connect the hands to the back or the EVEN the front shoulder is welcoming drag or push. Depending on which shoulder you connect it too. the hands/bat should be connected to the middle.

try placing a bat at your back/front shoulder and hit balls off a tee. When you use your back shoulder you will be late, when you use your front shoulder you will be early. Now connect the bat to the middle of your chest and hit balls off a tee. on time? The middle should move the bat. That’s how I see it.

sorry, dont know what bolded means.