TTB and Swing Adjustability

[julray]

I am going to pull a W=w here, pay attention to the path of the knob in the demos that Pujols and ARod do. Forget the barrell. Pay attention to the knob of their game swings. What is different and why do think that is?

I don't know how many more ways I can say it... go back and read.

From a leveraged position, If I drive my hands/knob down and to, if my larger muscles are activated and pulling. What do you think will happen to the barrel of that bat? Even all back all forward hitters, hitters who don't how to engage the core and larger muscles, the barrel will still turn eventually. Compare that to somebody with proper sequence and proper use of the larger muscles.

 

[FP26]

We have a lot of passive aggressive ghosts,

My point is, if you want to talk about hitting, I am fine with that. If the issue is Rich (TM) and his system, I'm really not interested in discussing it. There are others on this site that I have had very good discussions with in the past. But their hatred of this one person has jaded them so much, that it's impossible to discuss hitting with them without that person (or his teachings) coming up. I am no longer interested in those discussions.

 

[julray]

My point is, if you want to talk about hitting, I am fine with that. If the issue is Rich (TM) and his system, I'm really not interested in discussing it. There are others on this site that I have had very good discussions with in the past. But their hatred of this one person has jaded them so much, that it's impossible to discuss hitting with them without that person (or his teachings) coming up. I am no longer interested in those discussions.

Don't really care about Rich, obviously I don't agree with what he teaches. But you are bringing him into this conversation, not me. You also said the notion of TTB has been a lot longer than when Rich started teaching it(that we know of). I just use the term TTB because that's what everybody is familiar with. Just because I don't agree with actively TTB, doesn't mean my fight is with TM. Hope I clarified that.

 

[FP26]

Don't really care about Rich, obviously I don't agree with what he teaches. But you are bringing him into this conversation, not me. You also said the notion of TTB has been a lot longer than when Rich started teaching it(that we know of). I just use the term TTB because that's what everybody is familiar with. Just because I don't agree with actively TTB, doesn't mean my fight is with TM. Hope I clarified that.

Works for me. I mentioned Rich because other posters have brought him up. One even posted a gif of Rich's son. That alone led me to believe that part of the conversation was about him. I also brought it up because some try to over exaggerate what TTB actually is.

 

[julray]

Works for me. I mentioned Rich because other posters have brought him up. One even posted a gif of Rich's son. That alone led me to believe that part of the conversation was about him. I also brought it up because some try to over exaggerate what TTB actually is.

Sounds good. It's more about what the pros are saying, then what Rich is. What they say doesn't align with what he says, so I can understand how you would come to that conclusion. But since we are on the topic, do you believe the pros are actively TTB. If so why do you, and why aren't they talking about it, practicing it etc?

 

[FP26]

Sounds good. It's more about what the pros are saying, then what Rich is. What they say doesn't align with what he says, so I can understand how you would come to that conclusion. But since we are on the topic, do you believe the pros are actively TTB. If so why do you, and why aren't they talking about it, practicing it etc?

TTB is a term that was created in the forums. Unless a hitter participated in the forums or was coached by someone that participated in the forums, they wouldn't know anything about it.

 

[julray]

TTB is a term that was created in the forums. Unless a hitter participated in the forums or was coached by someone that participated in the forums, they wouldn't know anything about it.

Term aside, it's still an action. Do you see the pros force this type of action as it is described in the forums. I am not seeing them talking about/demoing this type of action as it is described in the forums or by TM.

 

[james27503]

I don't know how many more ways I can say it... go back and read.

From a leveraged position, If I drive my hands/knob down and to, if my larger muscles are activated and pulling. What do you think will happen to the barrel of that bat? Even all back all forward hitters, hitters who don't how to engage the core and larger muscles, the barrel will still turn eventually. Compare that to somebody with proper sequence and proper use of the larger muscles.

As promised, had my painting close on.

 

[FP26]

Term aside, it's still an action. Do you see the pros force this type of action as it is described in the forums. I am not seeing them talking about/demoing this type of action as it is described in the forums or by TM.

I don't care for the term forced... However, if you are asking if TTB is created by the hands/forums, yes, I believe it is. The core is heavily involved throughout the entire process. It has to be. But no matter how you contract or release the core, it cannot make the barrel turn without other body parts. The core is not attached to the bat.

 

[RichK]

FWIW: I think instructions that have to come with instructions have a great chance to be misapplied. To me, that's the problem with the Pujols and Arod hands to the ball demos. I get what you are saying Julray, what they are doing can be made to fit as an isolated event when understood within their overall actions.

But to me that's not great *instruction*. Doesn't mean it's wrong. It's just too likely to be misapplied.

I also don't believe turn-the-barrel is a hitting 'style'...to me it is one component of the swing and it means this: the hands should be alive, not dead. I think most MLB hitters would 'say' something along those lines, ie, hips then hands, live hands, he has good hands, etc. For me, I really like the idea of a hand pivot point as opposed to (and demonstrated vs.) an elbow pivot point around which the barrel is delivered.