GOOD PLAYER ~~ bad person

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Strike2

Allergic to BS
Nov 14, 2014
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I have a hard time calling a kid a "bad person." They might have poor work ethic or a bad attitude or might not get along with teammates, but they're kids. They're still learning how to be a person. I think it's at least worth it to try to correct the issue, even if it may not work most of the time.

But bad parents? Yeah, they gotta go. That's never gonna change.

And yes, I realize the kid with all those problems I listened probably is the result of bad parents.

Meh...define "kid". If kids can commit violent crimes, a kid can most certainly can be "bad". I deal with teenagers, and a few of them over the years could be accurately described as "bad people". No, they weren't murderers, just self-absorbed jerks. Their peers know what they are, and will tell you all about it given half a chance. Funny thing though is that their parents can often be nice people. I know it's counter-intuitive, but that's actually a pretty good indicator that it's really the kid. The parents realize their kid's personality sucks, they just aren't able to fix it. How many times have we seen kids grow up with good parents, but they turn out to be crappy people? It usually surfaces before they're fully grown.
 

radness

Possibilities & Opportunities!
Dec 13, 2019
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Do think there are bad personality trates that 'when addressed' can be improved. Not certain if that is a different case than 'bad person'.

Fun story example
in college at practice game situations. One of our outfielders who is an outstanding tremendous athlete. For some reason chose not to fire the ball home when I was yelling 4,4,4.
I yelled out after the situation "Here we go team. Let's get the lead out!! Throw it!
Throw it! i'm here".
She proceeded to flip me off.
At practice in front of our team, and coach standing next to me.
Coach did NOT respond.

Well after others also having personality tanglements with that player ....that turned out to be my last straw. :)

She was the fastest runner on our team. Knowing that I proceeded to walk across the infield heading her direction to the outfield, a firm strong walk.
Coach said
"Turbo what are you doing?"
I replied
"I got this coach"

Just as I got to the edge of the lawn the bad personality player turned and sprinted away. Leaving practice.

The coach hadn't done anything about it previously that i knew of and didn't say anything about it in the moment she flipped me off so apparently that's what I did
*took some action.
She was not kicked off the team the coach had a talk with her. At least for the rest of the season she became tolerable.

Great ending here.....

That summer she applied and entered into I believe it was the ROTC program (not certain if it was Air Force or Navy). The Following Season she returned a completely fantastically wonderful and respectful person. And apologized to the entire team for past issues.
As a teammate I always respected her ability but at that moment I was able to respect her the person!
After college she entered the military.
Has been serving our nation ever since!!

Thank you for your service teammate!
 
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Sep 29, 2014
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Do think there are bad personality trates that 'when addressed' can be improved. Not certain if that is a different case than 'bad person'.

Fun story example
in college at practice game situations. One of our outfielders who is an outstanding tremendous athlete. For some reason chose not to fire the ball home when I was yelling 4,4,4.
I yelled out after the situation "Here we go team. Let's get the lead out!! Throw it!
Throw it! i'm here".
She proceeded to flip me off.
At practice in front of our team, and coach standing next to me.
Coach did NOT respond.

Well after others also having personality tanglements with that player ....that turned out to be my last straw. :)

She was the fastest runner on our team. Knowing that I proceeded to walk across the infield heading her direction to the outfield, a firm strong walk.
Coach said
"Turbo what are you doing?"
I replied
"I got this coach"

Just as I got to the edge of the lawn the bad personality player turned and sprinted away. Leaving practice.

The coach hadn't done anything about it previously that i knew of and didn't say anything about it in the moment she flipped me off so apparently that's what I did
*took some action.
She was not kicked off the team the coach had a talk with her. At least for the rest of the season she became tolerable.

Great ending here.....

That summer she applied and entered into I believe it was the ROTC program (not certain if it was Air Force or Navy). The Following Season she returned a completely fantastically wonderful and respectful person. And apologized to the entire team for past issues.
As a teammate I always respected her ability but at that moment I was able to respect her the person!
After college she entered the military.
Has been serving our nation ever since!!

Thank you for your service teammate!
and....exactly; girls know the bad apples and they will tolerate up to a point but at some point they cross the line and they will either adjust or simply become the pariah that no one talks or interacts with and they will just quit cause will all know girls can be mean...it is all fun and games until you do or say the wrong thing to the wrong person and if everyone knows you're a jerk no one has your back then what?
 
Apr 26, 2019
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We have a new girl o DD's that isn't exactly ingratiating herself with the rest of the girls. DD has straight up said to me, "Dad, nobody on the team likes xxx."

She hasn't been on the team long enough to have been in any games but her attitude in practice seems to need work. During drills, every time, after it's her turn she looks to her dad to make sure she has his approval. While the other girls are hustling around picking up balls and other gear she just stands around until her dad tells her to go help.

Her body language displays a huge amount of disinterest when the coaches are talking. DD also told me the new teammate is convinced her dad is now an assistant coach (he is not).

It may be more her father's fault. As I said she is very new, and the dad is all over the coach every practice, "when is xxxx going to get her uniforms?" (We won't have gsmes for some time.) The worst probably is, he takes it upon himself to."instruct" the other girls but unfortunately, doesn't know what he is talking about and gives them bad advice.
 
Jun 8, 2016
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Just as I got to the edge of the lawn the bad personality player turned and sprinted away. Leaving practice.
Ok that visual made me laugh...

Rta3Ix2.gif
 

radness

Possibilities & Opportunities!
Dec 13, 2019
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113
We have a new girl o DD's that isn't exactly ingratiating herself with the rest of the girls. DD has straight up said to me, "Dad, nobody on the team likes xxx."

She hasn't been on the team long enough to have been in any games but her attitude in practice seems to need work. During drills, every time, after it's her turn she looks to her dad to make sure she has his approval. While the other girls are hustling around picking up balls and other gear she just stands around until her dad tells her to go help.

Her body language displays a huge amount of disinterest when the coaches are talking. DD also told me the new teammate is convinced her dad is now an assistant coach (he is not).

It may be more her father's fault. As I said she is very new, and the dad is all over the coach every practice, "when is xxxx going to get her uniforms?" (We won't have gsmes for some time.) The worst probably is, he takes it upon himself to."instruct" the other girls but unfortunately, doesn't know what he is talking about and gives them bad advice.

This scenario is a great example of a situation that now....
1. Head Coach should be addressing.
Or
2. Unfortunately parents would need to speak up so that
#1. Should be applied?

Others opinions?
Yes
No
What?
 
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Nov 22, 2019
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Minnesota, USA
We have a new girl o DD's that isn't exactly ingratiating herself with the rest of the girls. DD has straight up said to me, "Dad, nobody on the team likes xxx."

She hasn't been on the team long enough to have been in any games but her attitude in practice seems to need work. During drills, every time, after it's her turn she looks to her dad to make sure she has his approval. While the other girls are hustling around picking up balls and other gear she just stands around until her dad tells her to go help.

Her body language displays a huge amount of disinterest when the coaches are talking. DD also told me the new teammate is convinced her dad is now an assistant coach (he is not).

It may be more her father's fault. As I said she is very new, and the dad is all over the coach every practice, "when is xxxx going to get her uniforms?" (We won't have gsmes for some time.) The worst probably is, he takes it upon himself to."instruct" the other girls but unfortunately, doesn't know what he is talking about and gives them bad advice.

98% the coaches fault. Take charge and have clear expectations/guidelines. The parent is either a coach or he isn't and if he is not then he shouldn't be talking to anyone during practice.
 

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