First year 14u Tee Swings

[Bobby Shirer]

She is hitting off of a tee, It does NOT require more spine angle, tilt or whatever you want to call it. Especially with the tee placement like she has.

If she wants to get a greater launch angle, more spine tilt is the key, What's the purpose of hitting off a tee if your not going to practice your game swing!

 

[TDS]

I've been reading through the threads on your DD and her tee swing. IMO all the talk about coil is moot, if we don't realize what your DD's mindset concerning how to swing is. Again IMO she will never be able to coil whether taught or done naturally if you don't take her focus off of the front side. I agree with Eric F that she has all back and all forward setup. You can see it when you watch the video of her in slow motion. IMO the all back and all forward is do to a player thinking about getting the front side in a position to swing from. If you can get her to understand that the swing for the most part has nothing to do with the front side and that we want to get her to understand that the entire swing, from the gather to the stride to launch position is all set up by the backside of the body. If you look at post #33 and #31 they are not really concerned with anything the front side is doing. I would tell her that the goal when swinging is to move the backside from start to finish through the ball. Do not even mention the front side to her from here on out. The drill to perform is the good ole justing stone drill or the one legged hover drill. This drill will help get her to think of using her back side to set up her swing to launch. All this again is just IMO

I think you get the backside/frontside debate when was is trying to control the loading within the frontal plane (stretching catcher/pitcher).. The stretching loading in the frontal plane IMO should be a result of loading in the s-plane. If one works on primarily stretching in the pre-swing setup within the s-plane the movement becomes dynamically balanced while getting fyb.. As you can see this effects vision as well.




A good example of big sagittal plane movements (think in terms of creating stretch from head to toe vs side to side catcher/pitcher) allows for the hitter to gain fyb ground without compromising the rear leg/hip relationship.

Once you feel the movements the front side backside concerns will become moot.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

Justin seems like a nice guy but some if the positions he gets to are a bit confusing, Looks like he's promoting a lunge forward and hitting down on the ball leading with the knob.
Mia looks like she's got the back side anchored but doesn't get to her front side correctly. She stands in top if her front leg instead of against it. Asking her to focus in her backside could be counterproductive.
I do like the feet together drill though.
IMHO

 

[clemenslee1]

I think you get the backside/frontside debate when was is trying to control the loading within the frontal plane (stretching catcher/pitcher).. The stretching loading in the frontal plane IMO should be a result of loading in the s-plane. If one works on primarily stretching in the pre-swing setup within the s-plane the movement becomes dynamically balanced while getting fyb.. As you can see this effects vision as well.




A good example of big sagittal plane movements (think in terms of creating stretch from head to toe vs side to side catcher/pitcher) allows for the hitter to gain fyb ground without compromising the rear leg/hip relationship.

Once you feel the movements the front side backside concerns will become moot.

I think I understand and agree with what you are saying. I'm not real good when it comes to body planes, so excuse me if i get it wrong. I'm simply stating that the OP's DD mindset is strictly on the forward half (Pitcher) of the frontal plane. She needs to have a understanding that the forward half of the frontal plane is not what is important and should not be the focus. The back half (catcher) of the frontal plane should be the focus. The reason being is that everything his happening within that half of the body. So if we can get her to think in terms of the back half, teaching coil or letting it happen naturally will be a easier task. Basically what the front half of the frontal plane does is a response to what the back half of the frontal plane is doing along with S - plane coil. The drill I suggested was just simple to change the focus off of the front half to the rear. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[clemenslee1]

If she wants to get a greater launch angle, more spine tilt is the key, What's the purpose of hitting off a tee if your not going to practice your game swing!

A tee if for practicing certain feel movements primarily. Show me a professional that practice their in game swing on a tee. You wont find one, they practice a feeling off of a tee. Certain aspects off of the tee. Not their entire swing.

 

[clemenslee1]

Justin seems like a nice guy but some if the positions he gets to are a bit confusing, Looks like he's promoting a lunge forward and hitting down on the ball leading with the knob.
Mia looks like she's got the back side anchored but doesn't get to her front side correctly. She stands in top if her front leg instead of against it. Asking her to focus in her backside could be counterproductive.
I do like the feet together drill though.
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Not concerned with the rest of his swing, simply the feet together stride drill.

 

[TDS]

Big pre-swing arm actions to create the s-plane movements

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controlled pre-swing s-plane movements

 

[erniekru]

Since this thread is already a week+ old, we've been out working. Truly, thank you for the feedback... We've been working on two relatively simple things. First, I want to see a clear and powerful pre-swing movement that is smooth and slow leading to an explosive swing. Secondly, I want the back elbow to move to the slot so she can barrel up inside pitches more frequently. As has been much discussed about, I am not my DD's batting instructor(s). They have a very clear hitting style that is taught and I am fully committed to the system as she is in a great spot within her organization. Obviously, there are many universals in a high level swing, but the nuance is definitely different.

If I can get my daughter to have the above 2 points incorporated into her live swings this weekend, I'll move onwards to try and get her to extend more through the zone. Below is a screen grab of her last live at bats that I posted on page 2 of this thread. She's not straight up and down like in her tee swing, but for whatever reason on this inside pitch her hands are so tight to her body, even after contact. I wish she'd let them go more. Anyway, I'll post video when I get it. Thanks - Ernie

 

[Bobby Shirer]

A tee if for practicing certain feel movements primarily. Show me a professional that practice their in game swing on a tee. You wont find one, they practice a feeling off of a tee. Certain aspects off of the tee. Not their entire swing.

Ask any 14yo girl if she's practicing her game swing off the tee.
And then answer the question of what feeling she should practice off a tee when her dad says he'd like her to hit with a higher launch angle.
I'll see how many pros practicing game swings off tees I can find.

 

[Bobby Shirer]

A tee if for practicing certain feel movements primarily. Show me a professional that practice their in game swing on a tee. You wont find one, they practice a feeling off of a tee. Certain aspects off of the tee. Not their entire swing.

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