He's making her slap her thigh.

[cthur]

A 'before' and 'after' video would be helpful ..... and likely help explain the real benefits that took place.

I could not find a video and will try to take a video of my daughter and post it this weekend. It may not be the best, as she is still working on breaking the glove slapping habit. The ultimate goal is for her not to have the arm extended, but the pull it in to her ribcage/shoulder as Amy in AZ described. We were taking it in steps to make it easier and not cause too much change in the Fall as she has 3 tournaments to pitch in, but will work more on it over the winter months.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Sorry to say this, but if your dd was 17 and only throwing 48. She had more issues then slapping her leg. So as far as this PC knowing more then most of the posters on this site. I highly doubt it, because their are several really good posters on here.

Wow, I did not know I was on a Yahoo comment page. What does a degrading comment about my daughter and another PC do to add value to this conversation? I realize again why I only come on here sparingly and have to sort through all the egos to gather any useful information.

The point being made is that when you are discussing the improvement of someone that is far behind and potentially has several issues, that it doesn't take a whole lot to see noteworthy improvement.

People are glad your daughter is improving. Doubtful that improvement had anything to do with removing a glove slap for a tuck of the glove into the arm pit.

The theory that the audible gives a hitter an advantage is simply incorrect ... and while ignorance on a different topic doesn't mean your PC is bad, it doesn't necessarily add credibility either.

 

[Doug Romrell]

Wow, I did not know I was on a Yahoo comment page. What does a degrading comment about my daughter and another PC do to add value to this conversation? I realize again why I only come on here sparingly and have to sort through all the egos to gather any useful information.

cthur, Don't take comments posted here too seriously. I don't see nano's comment as being degrading of your daughter.

 

[Doug Romrell]

I could not find a video and will try to take a video of my daughter and post it this weekend. It may not be the best, as she is still working on breaking the glove slapping habit. The ultimate goal is for her not to have the arm extended, but the pull it in to her ribcage/shoulder as Amy in AZ described. We were taking it in steps to make it easier and not cause too much change in the Fall as she has 3 tournaments to pitch in, but will work more on it over the winter months.

Personally, I don't have a problem with glove brushing or light "slapping." I wouldn't spend too much time trying to rid her of it, but rather would maybe mention from time to time that she shouldn't focus too much on making the glove "slap," but should focus on the delivery of the ball, using good arm-whip and landing firmly, etc.

 

[cthur]

The point being made is that when you are discussing the improvement of someone that is far behind and potentially has several issues, that it doesn't take a whole lot to see noteworthy improvement.

People are glad your daughter is improving. Doubtful that improvement had anything to do with removing a glove slap for a tuck of the glove into the arm pit.

The theory that the audible gives a hitter an advantage is simply incorrect ... and while ignorance on a different topic doesn't mean your PC is bad, it doesn't necessarily add credibility either.

1. You are assuming that my daughter is behind with no background about how long she has been pitching or without seeing a video to indicate that there were issues before the session that any other PC would have seen a need to change.
2. My daughter was not the only girl that saw improvement in the 2 to 3 mph range. 1 girls went from 58 to 61 as a 16 yr old.
3. Posting videos of great pitchers does not mean that they could not have been better with todays technology. Girls were all said to have to be 6 ft to pitch 5 years ago. Things change.
4. Do you have any actual data other than the videos posted, such as studies or any numbers to back these up? I would be interested in seeing that.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

1. You are assuming that my daughter is behind with no background about how long she has been pitching or without seeing a video to indicate that there were issues before the session that any other PC would have seen a need to change.
2. My daughter was not the only girl that saw improvement in the 2 to 3 mph range. 1 girls went from 58 to 61 as a 16 yr old.
3. Posting videos of great pitchers does not mean that they could not have been better with todays technology. Girls were all said to have to be 6 ft to pitch 5 years ago. Things change.
4. Do you have any actual data other than the videos posted, such as studies or any numbers to back these up? I would be interested in seeing that.

Just using the limited data you have supplied ..... such as this.

That being said, she is 17, and was pitching about 48 mph before she started the sessions

From my personal experience, the above data places your daughter on the low end on a relative basis. The prior implication is justified IMO ... that being that improvements for someone significantly far behind are not all that difficult to realize.

You spoke of the PC making numerous adjustments. Likely some of those adjustments paid off ... more so for those far behind, less so for those already pitching in decent form.

 

[Doug Romrell]

Likely some of those adjustments paid off ... more so for those far behind, less so for those already pitching in decent form.

This is a VERY GOOD point!

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I could not find a video and will try to take a video of my daughter and post it this weekend. It may not be the best, as she is still working on breaking the glove slapping habit. The ultimate goal is for her not to have the arm extended, but the pull it in to her ribcage/shoulder as Amy in AZ described. We were taking it in steps to make it easier and not cause too much change in the Fall as she has 3 tournaments to pitch in, but will work more on it over the winter months.

Looking forward to seeing this video.

The obvious question is, how is it you attribute the breaking of a glove habit to a 5mph speed improvement when she still hasn't broken the habit? Might there be something else the PC recommended that led to your daughter's speed improvement? A 17yo throwing 48mph likely had inefficiencies that could have been easily addressed with various recommendations.

 

[cthur]

Looking forward to seeing this video.

The obvious question is, how is it you attribute the breaking of a glove habit to a 5mph speed improvement when she still hasn't broken the habit? Might there be something else the PC recommended that led to your daughter's speed improvement? A 17yo throwing 47mph likely had inefficiencies that could have been easily addressed with various recommendations.

I actually stated that he explained to her everywhere she was losing speed and made adjustments to her warmup drills etc. He never said what she was doing was wrong and actually said her form was pretty good. My daughter is 17 and took lessons for about 4 years from 8 until she was 12 and she decided this was something she did not want to do anymore and wanted to focus on hitting and fielding. She has continued to pitch for her travel team as they need her to, but does not put in the reps necessary in the offseason or even during the season to become a faster. She has always had very good control and even without the practice usually leads her team in ERA, SO per inning, quality starts etc. She is a ground ball, pop up inducing type pitcher.

This was a team sponsored event that her coach asked her to go to as it was included with the team fees and she just decided after going that is was something that she wanted to do again, so we have been working hard at it.

She also has a couple college coaches that have asked her about pitching at the DIII level, so that has also been a factor in her rejuvenation into pitching.

Interest, praise and results do a lot for someone.

 

[Jojo]

Just using the limited data you have supplied ..... such as this.



From my personal experience, the above data places your daughter on the low end on a relative basis. The prior implication is justified IMO ... that being that improvements for someone significantly far behind are not all that difficult to realize.

You spoke of the PC making numerous adjustments. Likely some of those adjustments paid off ... more so for those far behind, less so for those already pitching in decent form.

I've have done many clinics and I can tell you I cannot add 3-5mph on a pitcher just by having her hold her ball looser in her hand or to stop slapping her leg.

I have added that much in a University clinic that was 3 days long, 6 hours a day. But a lot more adjustments were given.

I just have to believe that kind of speed gain was acquired from a combination of several different adjustments. And some of those adjustments where from more of a mechanical area of the pitch sequence.

I've stated before I never make an issue of glove slapping with my students, all mine that do this grow out it quickly and I give them drills to stop doing it if they complain about it. I've never seen a speed increase when they stop.

I'd also be curious to see if this newly acquired speed was only clocked in the session or is being monitored outside the session and is still there.

I've had several of my students go to clinics where they have changed the way they hold the ball in their glove or change their presentation and claim they have given them a 5mph increase, and they believe it, and the parents say, Yes, she was throwing really hard with that small change, only to have me gun them again and the newly acquired speed wasn't there.

All I'm saying is that I think your DD cthur picked up some other adjustments that you or your DD might not be aware of.