Where does Yukiko Ueno rank among the all-time greats?

[radness]

I think to be the best college pitcher of all time you need to have at least one WCWS ring. Osterman and Abbott had great careers after college, but neither has an NCAA championship.

Ooooohhhh now thats a measuring stick!
is that on the pitchers back,
Coach or team?

 

[MNDad]

Ooooohhhh now thats a measuring stick!
is that on the pitchers back,
Coach or team?

It’s on all three, but the pitcher has more influence than any in how the game turns out. It doesn’t mean Osterman and Abbott aren’t great. I just think to be the best NCAA pitcher ever you have to have won it all. Fair or not when we talk about the GOAT in any sport championships are the first thing looked at.

 

[schwabach]

A GOAT will typically go deep in playoffs. They won't necessarily win it all. If a pitcher in the WCSWS holds, say, Oklahoma, to two runs per game but the offense can't manage more than one run, I wouldn't hold that against her when picking my pitching staff.

The unfairness of pitcher wins, 2017 edition

Gio Gonzalez and Carlos Martinez are two examples of great pitchers consistently screwed by the outdated notion of pitcher wins.

www.beyondtheboxscore.com

 

[marriard]

Best ever in my time watching.:
Ueno
Abbott
Harding
Smth
Osterman

In about that order, but I wouldn't disagree with however you ranked them. Harding was unbelievably good for both UCLA and Australia. Fernandez probably has to be in there but the two games I remember are both losses to Australia (where she and Harding both dominated the batters but Austrlalia got some late inning hero hits)

 

[radness]

Best ever in my time watching.:
Ueno
Abbott
Harding
Smth
Osterman

In about that order, but I wouldn't disagree with however you ranked them. Harding was unbelievably good for both UCLA and Australia. Fernandez probably has to be in there but the two games I remember are both losses to Australia (where she and Harding both dominated the batters but Austrlalia got some late inning hero hits)

Fernandez could be on the all-time best player list!

 

[ANNASDAD]

It’s on all three, but the pitcher has more influence than any in how the game turns out.

Back when Anna was 14, we had a team camp with JMU.....Mickey Dean said pitchers don't win games, pitchers lose games!! Man he was rough on the pitchers that day!

 

[MNDad]

A GOAT will typically go deep in playoffs. They won't necessarily win it all. If a pitcher in the WCSWS holds, say, Oklahoma, to two runs per game but the offense can't manage more than one run, I wouldn't hold that against her when picking my pitching staff.

The unfairness of pitcher wins, 2017 edition

Gio Gonzalez and Carlos Martinez are two examples of great pitchers consistently screwed by the outdated notion of pitcher wins.

www.beyondtheboxscore.com

That’s an interesting article. Some I agree with. Wins are overrated and don’t tell the full story. As a pitcher Dad that’s all too clear. I understand W/L don’t define her career and I know the factors that went into her win total. Even so, it is what it is. If she was a better pitcher she’d have more wins.

it’s a fun discussion even if we disagree.

 

[radness]

Think it is a good conversation also!
Because the type of pitcher can be viewed in seperate catagories
A. The high strikeout #'s pitcher.
Or
B. The pitcher who forces bad connection/weaker hits working the defense.

Interesting to see what pitcher gives up the LEAST & MOST homeruns.
If that means anything?!

 

[curveballer124]

Ueno, Abbott, Osterman, Finch, Fernandez

 

[JOHNN]

Hey stats people...
Where are the stats ...

Did someone say stats???