when people say the word FASTBALL, what is it REALLY?

[Josh Greer]

I'm a simple guy. Fastball = Fastest pitch you have; which is generally the straightest pitch you have . Then variations on that pitch which induce spin/motion, will also reduce velocity to the core pitch.

 

[625ender]

I'm a simple guy. Fastball = Fastest pitch you have; which is generally the straightest pitch you have . Then variations on that pitch which induce spin/motion, will also reduce velocity to the core pitch.

Correct. Fast pitch, faster to the plate, with less time for movement

Every pitcher should have 3 fastballs. Maddux as mentioned before was a fastball and change up master who very rarely threw a breaking pitch

Sinker, fastball, cut, change up. A tiny bag of tricks but they all sent him to the hall

 

[radness]

Every pitcher should have 3 fastballs. Maddux as mentioned before was a fastball and change up master who very rarely threw a breaking pitch
Sinker, fastball, cut, change up. A tiny bag of tricks but they all sent him to the hall

So your saying
His fastballs actually were
1. Straight faster pitch
2. Sinker
3. Cutter

Thats the point of this post
About the word 'fastball'
is not always describing the actual trajectory of the pitch, not what its doing.

Cuzzzzz just like in that post
Says he has 3 fastballs.....
And then....
Had to describe what they really do/are.

If a batter asked the previous batter,
What did he throw you?
And the answer was
All fastballs,
Is not the same as
He threw
1. Fastball
2. Cutters
3. Sinkers
These words provide description of alternate moving/breaking pitches.

 

[radness]

Correct. Fast pitch, faster to the plate, with less time for movement

However not necessarily.
Very often in fastpitch fastball is not faster
And
Moving/breaking pitches are faster.

 

[_MIA_]

Sinker, 2 seamers, splitter,etc you are not trying to impart spin via wrist/hand articulation, to make it move. For the most part you change your grip and throw it like a 4 seamer. The word fastball could easily mean, in baseball at least, a pitch where you do not try to spin it..but fastball is shorter to say...

What are you trying to get at here? You want a verbage revolution or something?

 

[radness]

Thanku for discussion towards this!

 

[_MIA_]

Thanku for discussion towards this!

My wife should take cues from you with regards to how to get me to stop arguing..that almost worked .

 

[radness]

Sinker, 2 seamers, splitter,etc you are not trying to impart spin via wrist/hand articulation, to make it move. For the most part you change your grip and throw it like a 4 seamer. The word fastball could easily mean, in baseball at least, a pitch where you do not try to spin it..but fastball is shorter to say...

What are you trying to get at here? You want a verbage revolution or something?

Think i was fairly clear in post #13 describing the communication conundrum.
Simply that i know it can cause confusion.
For instance
Catching a new pitcher
Coach says
Heres her fastball...
And it SHARPLY drops.
I say to pitcher
Theres some nice break on that
She says
Its my drop.
Coach thinks its a fastball cuz its her fastest pitch.
The other team see's pitcher throwing this and says
Watch out for her drop!
Why do they say that?
Cuz it breaks sharply down.

 

[_MIA_]

Think i was fairly clear in post #13 describing the communication conundrum.
Simply that i know it can cause confusion.
For instance
Catching a new pitcher
Coach says
Heres her fastball...
And it SHARPLY drops.
I say to pitcher
Theres some nice break on that
She says
Its my drop.
Coach thinks its a fastball cuz its her fastest pitch.
The other team see's pitcher throwing this and says
Watch out for her drop!
Why do they say that?
Cuz it breaks sharply down.

Do the coach and player speak a different language and they cannot afford an interpreter (but you understand both languages of course ) ?

 

[radness]

eg she imparts dropball spin on a pitch coach thinks is her fastball? Sounds like an education problem and not a verbage issue.

Coached called it a fastball,
But its a movement pitch.
Pitcher knows it moves/drops.
Exactly causes confusion to interpret what pitch is actually doing.




Do you see the relevance in communicating actual pitch movement?

So your saying
His fastballs actually were
1. Straight faster pitch
2. Sinker
3. Cutter

Thats the point of this post
About the word 'fastball'
is not always describing the actual trajectory of the pitch, not what its doing.

Cuzzzzz just like in that post
Says he has 3 fastballs.....
And then....
Had to describe what they really do/are.

If a batter asked the previous batter,
What did he throw you?
And the answer was
All fastballs,
Is not the same as
He threw
1. Fastball
2. Cutters
3. Sinkers
These words provide description of alternate moving/breaking pitches.