Turnover vs. peel drop

[Coach Stan]

In years of teaching a drop I find that some can pitch a peel better than a roll over and vise versa. I truly believe that it is really the individual's ability to throw either pitch rather than the pitch. A pitching coach should be able to teach both and find out which one is better for the student to throw rather than say here is how to pitch a peel and not be willing to teach the other when it is shown they do not perform well with the peel.

 

[SoCalDad]

[video]http://www.fast-pitch.com/images/drop_ball_osterman.wmv[/video]

Watch that video a few times. Tell me that her hand rolls over the ball to achieve spin. That's a peel drop with an IR followthrough very similar to Uneo.

-W

The Cat video has been debated on many boards as to whether it is a peel or roll over. I have watched the video many times and at the point of release she is turning the ball over with her fingers. I saw one poster who agreed to just call it the peel roll drop.

 

[starsnuffer]

Well, far be it for me to disagree with what someone read on the internet (hypocrisy!), butI'm going to have to disagree and call it a peel, mostly because Cat says she throws a peel, and it looks exactly like a peel to me.

Start watching at about 2:25

-W

 

[2bucketdad]

[video]http://www.fast-pitch.com/images/drop_ball_osterman.wmv[/video]

Watch that video a few times. Tell me that her hand rolls over the ball to achieve spin. That's a peel drop with an IR followthrough very similar to Uneo.

-W

This is actually being taught and called a "Peel Over Drop"...

 

[2bucketdad]

btw my youngest is a righty pitcher that throws a peel as an inside drop to righty batters and outside to lefty batters and a rollover drop as inside to lefty and outside to righty baters...go figure...

 

[Jojo]

This is actually being taught and called a "Peel Over Drop"...

I teach 3 drops
Turnover
Peel
Peel over

 

[go4fpsb]

Peel drop is much easier to learn and teach, with much less chance of injury. Roll-over can generate more spin for girls who lack finger strength. Roll-over is telegraphed often by shorter stride and higher release though. Both can easily be made into drop-curves if that is the desired outcome.

Cat uses the peel, seems to work for her, let me know when you hear about a roll-over pitcher who's as successful.

-W

Morgan Melloh from Indiana University has a nasty turn over drop. Watch her on the Big Ten Network a couple of times.

 

[go4fpsb]

[video]http://www.fast-pitch.com/images/drop_ball_osterman.wmv[/video]

Watch that video a few times. Tell me that her hand rolls over the ball to achieve spin. That's a peel drop with an IR followthrough very similar to Uneo.

-W

The only thing I would note is the follow through of her hand. After the release of the ball her palm faces away from her body which to me is a turn over drop follow through. Also the shoulder movement forward and down instead of stopping the forward motion and going up tells me there is turn over spin being applied.

 

[starsnuffer]

Some of you crack me up. You'll watch the same clips in a different thread and think it's a different pitch.

Tell me, is this a "peel over drop"?

<embed src="http://share.ovi.com/flash/player.aspx?media=ratwod.11508&albumname=ratwod.softball" width="512" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

What about this?

<embed src="http://share.ovi.com/flash/player.aspx?media=sluggers.10004&channelname=sluggers.softball" width="512" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

Or this?

<embed src="http://share.ovi.com/flash/player.aspx?media=sluggers.10002&channelname=sluggers.softball" width="512" height="420" type="application/x-shockwave-flash"></embed>

They all have the same funky wrist wobble that the Cat Osterman clip has, but guess what, that happens AFTER RELEASE. Nothing that happens after release has any impact, at all, on the pitch. What you're calling a "peel over" is simply the hand/fingers/wrist naturally following through from what everyone likes to call an Internal Rotation release, which the best pitchers are going to use regardless of the spin their FINGERS are putting on the ball.

-W

 

[Ken B]

Does anyone know how Chelsea Thomas throws her drop?