Jordyn Bahl

[Tatonka]

I'm just curious, was there a 20 page thread on the "replant" used by Gabbie Plain? Granted I don't spend time dissecting, studying, and reviewing videos of pitchers the way some people do but, her replant seems more egregious than Bahl's or anyone's. Is this cause Jordy is the new kid around the block? Cause more organizations are allowing the leap so it's in the forefront of our brains? Cause she's with the champs Oklahoma? Cause she dominated UCLA?

I'm not trying to throw Gabbie under the bus, I'm just curious if people spent equal time worrying about pitchers that there is NO DOUBT it's a crowhop. Bahl seems to have a 50-50 split from the "experts" as to if she leaps or crow hops. Granted both are technically illegal under the NCAA rules, but I think its safe to say a crow hop is considered a bigger crime in people's minds.

Sure makes ya wonder eh? Bahl definitely seems to have gotten under the skin of a few folks here on DFP, I say good for her. The inconsistent application of the "rule" is not her fault, it's not Gasso's or OU's either, nor is it the 100's (probably 1000's) of other pitchers who often show daylight under their cleats when trying to perfect their mechanics and get an out. These naysayers should focus on the positives that an athlete like her are bringing to the game.

 

[Gtrips07]

I'm just curious, was there a 20 page thread on the "replant" used by Gabbie Plain? Granted I don't spend time dissecting, studying, and reviewing videos of pitchers the way some people do but, her replant seems more egregious than Bahl's or anyone's. Is this cause Jordy is the new kid around the block? Cause more organizations are allowing the leap so it's in the forefront of our brains? Cause she's with the champs Oklahoma? Cause she dominated UCLA?

I'm not trying to throw Gabbie under the bus, I'm just curious if people spent equal time worrying about pitchers that there is NO DOUBT it's a crowhop. Bahl seems to have a 50-50 split from the "experts" as to if she leaps or crow hops. Granted both are technically illegal under the NCAA rules, but I think its safe to say a crow hop is considered a bigger crime in people's minds.

I think the issue is that it is the start of the season, a limited amount of games, and she pitches for OU. A culmination of factors. I don't think her dad posting has helped the situation much.

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[Shiloh]

I don’t post much, so I will leave this go at this point. But as I said at the outset, I think this debate is really misplaced because it celebrates a rule and not an athlete.

The “core issue” is not consistency or inadvertence. To steal Westwind’s example, I consistently drive more than 4 mph over the speed limit. Everywhere. Every time. But I never go more than 9 mph over. I am a consistent and serial rule violator, as are a lot of other drivers. In fact, I never drive legally for this reason. Should I lose my license? Should the other drivers? Or should the police devote their resources to other issues and maybe just cite me now and again but not that often?

The problem with your position, to me, is that you have no evidence whatsoever supporting the utility of a rule prohibiting leaping. It’s nothing like bans on performance enhancing substances (even if the substances are taken by mistake or even if they don’t work), because those bans exist to deter behavior that is proven with evidence to aid performance. There is no such evidence here. So you are arguing that a rule should be enforced just because it is a rule. That is a fine argument if you believe that every person who goes 4 mph over should stop driving.


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Sure makes ya wonder eh? Bahl definitely seems to have gotten under the skin of a few folks here on DFP, I say good for her. The inconsistent application of the "rule" is not her fault, it's not Gasso's or OU's either, nor is it the 100's (probably 1000's) of other pitchers who often show daylight under their cleats when trying to perfect their mechanics and get an out. These naysayers should focus on the positives that an athlete like her are bringing to the game.

You are saying that an illegal pitcher is fine, she deserves kudos in fact for making people uncomfortable because wow with that illegal style she really gets results, and people like watching that illegal pitching a lot, and huh, I didn't know THC was banned even though it's not performance-enhanching, but oh well a lot of pitchers leap and the umpires only call it sometimes and it seems to be sanctioned by certain high-profile coaches who win a lot of games and I exceeded the speed limit today on the way to work so it's all good.

You do you.

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Does anyone have video of Jordyn where she isn't pitching illegally?
Thanks.

 

[Gtrips07]

I don’t post much, so I will leave this go at this point. But as I said at the outset, I think this debate is really misplaced because it celebrates a rule and not an athlete.

The “core issue” is not consistency or inadvertence. To steal Westwind’s example, I consistently drive more than 4 mph over the speed limit. Everywhere. Every time. But I never go more than 9 mph over. I am a consistent and serial rule violator, as are a lot of other drivers. In fact, I never drive legally for this reason. Should I lose my license? Should the other drivers? Or should the police devote their resources to other issues and maybe just cite me now and again but not that often?

The problem with your position, to me, is that you have no evidence whatsoever supporting the utility of a rule prohibiting leaping. It’s nothing like bans on performance enhancing substances (even if the substances are taken by mistake or even if they don’t work), because those bans exist to deter behavior that is proven with evidence to aid performance. There is no such evidence here. So you are arguing that a rule should be enforced just because it is a rule. That is a fine argument if you believe that every person who goes 4 mph over should stop driving.


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The difference is the police aren't out there monitoring your speed all the time. The equivalent would be passing a cop car all the time at 4 over and seeing if they pull you over.

As am aside, do you take 12 items through the checkout line at the grocery store?


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[GunnerShotgun]

It would be one thing if the umpires knowing let the player play after testing positive for the banned substance.

You are saying that an illegal pitcher is fine, she deserves kudos in fact for making people uncomfortable because wow with that illegal style she really gets results, and people like watching that illegal pitching a lot, and huh, I didn't know THC was banned even though it's not performance-enhanching, but oh well a lot of pitchers leap and the umpires only call it sometimes and it seems to be sanctioned by certain high-profile coaches who win a lot of games and I exceeded the speed limit today on the way to work so it's all good.

You do you.

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Does anyone have video of Jordyn where she isn't pitching illegally?
Thanks.

A more apt argument would be if the umpires knowingly let the players play after testing positive for a banned substance.

 

[El Oso]

What about Golf? One reason Golf is very popular is the strict adherence to the rules. I'm talking about a friggin LEAF or a few grains of sand gets moved the wrong way and people will call in from TV land to report it. I bet Rad and the other "rules are just guidelines" DFP'ers get a kick out of that.

The other thing that many like about Golf is the fact that the competitors will report themselves if they feel they may have inadvertently violated a rule. Quite the change from every other sport where the competitors are seemingly always looking for ways to circumvent the rules. It's quite refreshing to see these days. Based on what I have seen, I wouldn't want to play Golf with a lot of folks in this discussion. I think I would get pencil whipped on the scorecard if I turned my back for a second.

 

[GunnerShotgun]

Remember the time a batter stepped out of the box on a slap, gaining a extra step advantage, and beat out the throw to first? The umpires couldn't see it/didn't see it and consequently called her safe.

The batter who knowingly violated the rules left the field of play so she wouldn't be called a "cheater". Just took an out to correct the rule violation.

Yeah I don't remember seeing that either.

 

[El Oso]

Remember the time a batter stepped out of the box on a slap, gaining a extra step advantage, and beat out the throw to first? The umpires couldn't see it/didn't see it and consequently called her safe.

The batter who knowingly violated the rules left the field of play so she wouldn't be called a "cheater". Just took an out to correct the rule violation.

Yeah I don't remember seeing that either.

Of course not. Honor and integrity left society long ago.

 

[Bonesaw]

What about Golf? One reason Golf is very popular is the strict adherence to the rules. I'm talking about a friggin LEAF or a few grains of sand gets moved the wrong way and people will call in from TV land to report it. I bet Rad and the other "rules are just guidelines" DFP'ers get a kick out of that.

The other thing that many like about Golf is the fact that the competitors will report themselves if they feel they may have inadvertently violated a rule. Quite the change from every other sport where the competitors are seemingly always looking for ways to circumvent the rules. It's quite refreshing to see these days. Based on what I have seen, I wouldn't want to play Golf with a lot of folks in this discussion. I think I would get pencil whipped on the scorecard if I turned my back for a second.

Golf, or the PGA Tour at least, has a pace of play epidemic. They have rules about slow play, but they are rarely(selectively) enforced. It is actually pretty similar to this.

 

[Shiloh]

A more apt argument would be if the umpires knowingly let the players play after testing positive for a banned substance.

Yeah, but the cases for exceeding the speed limit, the IOC only banning PEDs, the really great results you get from cheating, it's not really cheating because the umpires infrequently call it, the excitement of growing the sport through cheating, "everyone is doing it" and it's all sanctioned by Patti Gasso would have been left out.