hands in the swing

[julray]

Bat drag - No, The angle of the video gives an illusion of possible bat drag, I would venture to lean more to the no its not.
Yes I agree that its less of a push swing, but still that doesn't negate that his hands at least to me speeds up ahead of the rotation of the upper body. Just because you can get you hands ahead of the rotation doesnt automatically mean they are pushing.

I agree.. just a lot of times I see the hands getting dragged through the zone instead of pulled.. if that makes sense.
Here's a still of Mookie, different video. Reason why I chose Mookie, I see his elbow initially leading the hands in a lot of his swings


Could be illusion as well.. IDK

 

[efastball]

From toe touch to hip slot, the hands pretty much 'move' with the torso, and stay near the armpit.

 

[clemenslee1]

I feel like he's pushing starting here
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to there
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I think I agree with assessment. Gotta be careful though lol, you start mentioning push swing.

 

[julray]

I think I agree with assessment. Gotta be careful though lol, you start mentioning push swing.

LOL, I am not promoting or demoting it.. it's just what I see. In comparison to what Efastball just posted(Manny) I see entirely different hand action/position. In this case(Manny Gif) it seems the hands are fused with the elbow, the elbow drops and the hands move with the elbow and the bat swivels in the hands

 

[clemenslee1]

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From toe touch to hip slot, the hands pretty much 'move' with the torso, and stay near the armpit.

So you view it as the hands are just along for the ride?

 

[clemenslee1]

LOL, I am not promoting or demoting it.. it's just what I see. In comparison to what Efastball just posted(Manny) I see entirely different hand action/position. In this case(Manny Gif) it seems the hands are fused with the elbow, the elbow drops and the hands move with the elbow and the bat swivels in the hands

So would you agree that even in the Manny Gif, the hands are still getting in front of the rotation?

 

[julray]

So would you agree that even in the Manny Gif, the hands are still getting in front of the rotation?

I think the GIF efastball posted supports his view on what happens in the swing.. it's a tough angle to view though. If the hands race ahead of rotation.. how can this be achieved without pushing them?

 

[SonicMojo]

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From toe touch to hip slot, the hands pretty much 'move' with the torso, and stay near the armpit.

What do you say about Ortiz opening up his front hip before toe touch?

 

[julray]

What do you think of this swing? Any pushing happening here?

 

[lhowser]

Is Vladdy initially pushing here to set a pivot point? I feel like he is initially pushing hands/knob down and forward toward the ball?

He has to...he is adjusting to low and outside. probably see something a little different middle and slightly up.