IR/Arm Whip is a "Gimmick"?

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Jun 6, 2016
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On the same page where IR is listed as maybe a gimmick, so is Hello Elbow. So... I'm not really sure what she'd advocating. The entire presentation doesn't say enough about mechanics.
 
Dec 10, 2012
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Waterloo Ontario
That is the same philosophy I have heard from everyone promoting pitching with Softball Canada and Softball Ontario. Its a miracle anyone can pitch here with the lack of knowledge of pitching mechanics.


Well after spending 16 hours in a car over two days to attend a Rick Pauly pitching clinic, imagine my dismay when upon returning to Canada our top softball guy here in Manitoba tells me quite excitedly that Softball Canada (he's a director just returning from a weekend retreat with all the big wigs) has retained Cindy Bristow to help them with pitching.

So I google this person...find the following file. On page 8 of the file found at the link below, IR/whip is described as a "gimmick".

https://www.ncacoach.org/uploads/SBBristow3.pdf


So I mentioned this to our softball guy here and he said "Yeah, IR was really talked down by her." So my next point was that rather than argue the merits of one instructional method vs. another, why not just look at what the best pitchers in the world do and teach that? The response was "Well we can't expect kids to learn the same way as the best pitchers in the world."

Okay then. Now you know what it is like to be the parent of a pitcher 'round these parts...
 

shaker1

Softball Junkie
Dec 4, 2014
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On a bucket
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. Keep working on IR. Not sure what she promotes mechanically, I did see a throw the basketball drill somewhere on her website, looked mighty HE-ish. Good luck and remember the Hanson Principle.
 
Sep 29, 2014
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Well it is hard to tell exactly what she is advocating in those slides there is as always some good in there just seems like the whole process after drive is not there? I like the slide with Ueno as an example of drive mechanics and she talks about how varying finger pressure and the importance of how you release the ball BUT what happens in between all that?

As with ALL instruction watch what the best actually do...take the good from the instruction figure out what is helping you become better and leave the rest.
 

osagedr

Canadian Fastpitch Dad
Oct 20, 2016
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Well it is hard to tell exactly what she is advocating in those slides there is as always some good in there just seems like the whole process after drive is not there? I like the slide with Ueno as an example of drive mechanics and she talks about how varying finger pressure and the importance of how you release the ball BUT what happens in between all that?

As with ALL instruction watch what the best actually do...take the good from the instruction figure out what is helping you become better and leave the rest.

In trying to find info on what this person actually teaches I am having trouble locating where how to actually pitch the ball is taught. There is tons of stuff on drills for hitting location, etc, etc, etc but very little on what actually happens during the pitch.
 
Feb 17, 2014
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Orlando, FL
I usually do not refer to "IR/BI" outside this board. Instead I just explain that what I teach is a natural motion that is typical of what is common to the very best pitchers. I also don't discuss "HE" and just compare it with IR and let them decide what motion is most natural. Worked with a 2019 last weekend who had been taught HE. Did the HE warmup complete with wrist flicks, and having never seen her throw I had her explain the pitching motion to me. Textbook HE. Asked her to throw full motion and as I suspected she had decent IR. Worked with her to go palm up at 9 and lose the forced HE finish and the light came on.
 
Mar 19, 2009
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Southern California
I had a very similar experience with one of my incoming high school pitchers. Went through the H.E. warm-ups , but when I showed her the video of her pitching , she was IR with a forced H.E finish. She was so aggressive with the H.E. finish that last summer she strained her elbow and we now suspect the violent finish might be the cause of it.
 

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