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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    The quickness of the lead shoulder is important.

    Many coaches inadvertently coach a reduction in lead shoulder speed. Don't be one of them.
    How do you recommend getting that action to be as quick as possible?


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    He says (paraphrase) get the bottom (hips) right will ultimately lead to the ability to turn front shoulder quickly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    How do you recommend getting that action to be as quick as possible?


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    By swinging properly of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    By swinging properly of course.



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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    If that is what you heard than you are correct about me missing that. How does he recommend you move faster?


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    Imagine (as in don't actually try it) a strap from the lead shoulder that goes around the back, and then is attached to the rear hip. Coil rearward to imaginarily load the hips (rear hip predominately), and "stretch" the strap with the inward turn of the shoulders (again, imaginary for discussion purposes because we don't want to necessarily start counter-rotating the shoulders), and then at launch...as the rear hip is fired/driven forward, let it pull the lead shoulder rearward via the strap attaching the two. Kind of like this idea....

    ...as the rear hip goes forward, it pulls the lead shoulder rearward via the "blue strap" above.

    Hope that helps a little.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudders Brudder View Post
    Imagine (as in don't actually try it) a strap from the lead shoulder that goes around the back, and then is attached to the rear hip. Coil rearward to imaginarily load the hips (rear hip predominately), and "stretch" the strap with the inward turn of the shoulders (again, imaginary for discussion purposes because we don't want to necessarily start counter-rotating the shoulders), and then at launch...as the rear hip is fired/driven forward, let it pull the lead shoulder rearward via the strap attaching the two. Kind of like this idea....

    ...as the rear hip goes forward, it pulls the lead shoulder rearward via the "blue strap" above.

    Hope that helps a little.
    Thanks Mud I get what you are saying and I like the analogy. Do you believe that there is or should be resistance in that lead shoulder wanting to get pulled rearward?


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    Thanks Mud I get what you are saying and I like the analogy. Do you believe that there is or should be resistance in that lead shoulder wanting to get pulled rearward?


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    Yes, and from the time capsule..."The shoulders should be bypassed". IOWs, the shoulders should not rotate (a cause), but rather should be rotated by something else (an effect).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudders Brudder View Post
    Yes, and from the time capsule..."The shoulders should be bypassed". IOWs, the shoulders should not rotate (a cause), but rather should be rotated by something else (an effect).
    In the video the guys talks about getting his left shoulder behind his neck as quickly as possible..... do you believe that is sound advice? When I hear that I think of a swing that doesn’t transfer energy very well to the club head.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DRDRODD View Post
    In the video the guys talks about getting his left shoulder behind his neck as quickly as possible..... do you believe that is sound advice? When I hear that I think of a swing that doesn’t transfer energy very well to the club head.


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    I'm not a golfer, but from a softball/baseball perspective I do not believe that to be of any useful instructional value. Any talk of doing or thinking about anything having to do with moving/turning the shoulder(s) independently outside of the kinetic chain of the "bottom-->up" if you will, is to me poor advice to be giving a hitter of any age. JMO...OMMV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FiveFrameSwing View Post
    The quickness of the lead shoulder is important.

    Many coaches inadvertently coach a reduction in lead shoulder speed. Don't be one of them.
    It seems to me that coaches are mistaking a timing issue (being too early) for a mechanical/movement issue (being too quick). So if the lead shoulder is turning/opening too soon, we want to work with hitters on the timing of the swing. Don't mess with that quickness, which is a good thing.


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