Still having trouble getting separation between upper and lower body

Thanks again. She was doing better in batting practice but regressed during the game. It didn't help that she had two strikes thrown to her in three at bats. Here's one of them.

The contrast in pitching speed from video 1 to video 2 would probably screw with my timing too The DBSF/barrel path issue won't fix itself
overnight..I've been fighting it with my DD for 3+ years now. Keep throwing to her...she'll get there with some hard work.

pattar said:

The contrast in pitching speed from video 1 to video 2 would probably screw with my timing too The DBSF/barrel path issue won't fix itself
overnight..I've been fighting it with my DD for 3+ years now. Keep throwing to her...she'll get there with some hard work.

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Teach a proper hand path and there will be no phantom DBSF. That requires a proper sequence and an understanding that the hand path is not obtained by muscling the arms, but by using the core & hands/forearms appropriately.

FiveFrameSwing said:

Teach a proper hand path and there will be no phantom DBSF. That requires a proper sequence and an understanding that the hand path is not obtained by muscling the arms, but by using the core & hands/forearms appropriately.

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So in other words, if you swing properly you won't have DBSF..gotcha

pattar said:

So in other words, if you swing properly you won't have DBSF..gotcha

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DBSF is simply a flaw in the hand path.

You were looking for a drill to help with the sequence.

A drill frequently posted here is Stone's "feet together, step and hit drill". Stone has hitters perform that drill off of a tee. That is a good 'introduction' ... but simply not enough IMO.

A similar drill that I refer to as "Timing & Sequence" has the "feet together, step and hit drill" performed live. I am looking for both "Timing of the pitcher" and a walk-away-from-the-hands like "Sequence" ... "Timing & Sequence". For "Timing", I want the rear hip to be gaining ground 'at', or 'slightly before' the release of the pitch. For "Sequence" I want to see a 'walk-away-from-the-hands' type sequence. I want both ... Timing and Sequence.

Simply performing "feet together, step & hit" off of a tee is not enough ... it is only an introduction ... move along to performing this live ... and look for both 'timing' and 'sequence'.

It probably goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway.

After the "Timing & Sequence" drill, I'll have hitters return to their normal stance ... I resume pitching and bark out that I want to continue to see "Timing" and "Sequence" in their "regular swing" (i.e., starting from their normal stance).

FiveFrameSwing said:

DBSF is simply a flaw in the hand path.

You were looking for a drill to help with the sequence.

A drill frequently posted here is Stone's "feet together, step and hit drill". Stone has hitters perform that drill off of a tee. That is a good 'introduction' ... but simply not enough IMO.

A similar drill that I refer to as "Timing & Sequence" has the "feet together, step and hit drill" performed live. I am looking for both "Timing of the pitcher" and a walk-away-from-the-hands like "Sequence" ... "Timing & Sequence". For "Timing", I want the rear hip to be gaining ground 'at', or 'slightly before' the release of the pitch. For "Sequence" I want to see a 'walk-away-from-the-hands' type sequence. I want both ... Timing and Sequence.

Simply performing "feet together, step & hit" off of a tee is not enough ... it is only an introduction ... move along to performing this live ... and look for both 'timing' and 'sequence'.

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I agree completely with the bold above. It is a good "drill" and a good "introduction". But much more valuable when used against a moving ball.

FiveFrameSwing said:

DBSF is simply a flaw in the hand path.

You were looking for a drill to help with the sequence.

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I wasn't looking for anything....that was the OP. Also, yes I realize DBSF is "simply" hand path issue. Getting
rid of it, in particular for a moving ball, is often not so simple unfortunately.

pattar said:

I wasn't looking for anything....that was the OP. Also, yes I realize DBSF is "simply" hand path issue. Getting
rid of it, in particular for a moving ball, is often not so simple unfortunately.

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Got it ... I confused your response with the OP.

I don't try to 'get rid' of DBSF ... I find that simply teaching the swing eliminates it.

FiveFrameSwing said:

Got it ... I confused your response with the OP.

I don't try to 'get rid' of DBSF ... I find that simply teaching the swing eliminates it.

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I get your point, but if it was there and then it is gone by whatever means then by definition you got rid of it

My DD originally had a case of DBSF which resembles the OPs DD. She now instead flattens before launch to the point where the bat almost touches her shoulder,
along with wrapping it such that the end of the bat is almost pointing
towards third base coach, and then tries to launch from there. Perhaps not a typical DBSF hand path anymore, but one that still results in the SF part of the DBSF.
If I make her conscience of it during tee work she can get it such that her hand path is much better. However throw a moving ball at her and forget about it.
Part of it is certainly improper sequencing and core usage. However part of it is her just letting her barrel free-fall during her read of the pitch.