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@FP26,

imho that Manny clip is nonsense. That static start/stop. pull the top through isn’t it. He loses his coil and is all shoulders. His hips never leverage.

 

[julray]

Just so you know my replies are in red and FP's in black. He wrote most of that. What you are talking about with the tip-un-tip, barrel floating and where they start, is a style thing for the individual, and how they naturally move. For some to get the sequence going right, they need one or the other. IMO Is the player general a very fluid mover or are they stiffer with their movement can play a big factor

Oh sorry, LOL, I was thinking it was the other way around .

My post is regarding the un-tipping of the barrel. I was just showing that this does not occur in all swings. Hitters get their hands to a launch position, sometimes that involves tipping(Brett, Bichette), un-tipping(bonds, Vladdy) or no tipping at all(Olerud, Biggio)... this style and timing

 

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Just so you know my replies are in red and FP's in black. He wrote most of that.

Stop being lazy with your quoting...

 

[FP26]

Some posters are just trying to understand what you mean FP, don't be so cynical LOL. Explain that. IMO, you either consciously TTB or the barrel turns as a result. As Tatis jr says his hands are quiet, he gets to launch and takes his hands to the ball. Hands are not quiet if you are focused on TTB

Please refer to this post...

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Thanks for good write up. It's not really to far off from where my views are. Question: when you said previously that the hands are directing to a location, when does that occur? Is it in conjunction with the body or is it at a later time? That will depend on the hitter's timing and the...

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[julray]

To be quite honest with when it comes to muscle groups, I'm not very up to snuff with that. In a basic sense I would say that it would be the abdominal, and obliques. Although I'm pretty sure (could be wrong) that some of the muscles along the spine and back (Lats) are involved as well.

I know some will disagree, but my glutes contract as well.

 

[FP26]

@FP26,

imho that Manny clip is nonsense. That static start/stop. pull the top through isn’t it. He loses his coil and is all shoulders. His hips never leverage.

The portion of the Manny clip that I am referring to is prior to the pause.

 

[FP26]

I know some will disagree, but my glutes contract as well.

I don't disagree. But the glutes are not a core muscle. That is one reason I say more is involved...

 

[clemenslee1]

Oh sorry, LOL, I was thinking it was the other way around .

My post is regarding the un-tipping of the barrel. I was just showing that this does not occur in all swings. Hitters get their hands to a launch position, sometimes that involves tipping(Brett, Bichette), un-tipping(bonds, Vladdy) or no tipping at all(Olerud, Biggio)... this style and timing

My bad LOL

 

[clemenslee1]

I don't disagree. But the glutes are not a core muscle. That is one reason I say more is involved...

Correct me if I'm wrong but there are muscles that run from the lower back down to the $$$, right?

 

[julray]

I don't disagree. But the glutes are not a core muscle. That is one reason I say more is involved...

Yes more is involved. The glutes are a major stabilizer