Look Back Rule

[ang2bmd]

Against a defense that knows what it is doing, this nonsense usually produces either...

1. An out at 2B and no score.

2. Two outs.

Well....i guess our organization never plays a defense that knows what its doing because this is effective for us from 10u to 18u at a national level. Rarely involves an out. Doesn't always score a run but usually results in our runner on 2nd. I might argue the its the offensive teams you've seen that don't know how to run this play properly if they are frequently getting out.

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[Eric F]

Well....i guess our organization never plays a defense that knows what its doing because this is effective for us from 10u to 18u at a national level. Rarely involves an out. Doesn't always score a run but usually results in our runner on 2nd. I might argue the its the offensive teams you've seen that don't know how to run this play properly if they are frequently getting out.

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I would agree that inept base running is a big part of getting the scenarios mentioned by Strike2. Players who are jogging to 2B, expecting to be unchallenged, are the problem. My DD and her 14U teammates took advantage of that mistake multiple times. A team that is good with base-running, and stays aware, will be successful a lot more often.

My DD's current 16U team, however, is struggling with how to run the defense on this play properly, and has gotten worked over by decent base-running teams, usually giving up a run, and often not getting an out. SMH...

 

[Comp]

The runner advancing to 2nd on a walk with a runner on 3rd ends around here at good 14u. With practice and a good plan you will get 2 outs on the play.

You have to use the lookback rule to your advantage. NEVER throw the ball to first, you are not activating the lookback rule and the runner at 3rd can stay as far off the base as they like. Get ball back to pitcher as quickly as possible and have her move toward the back of the circle as close to 2nd as possible. Now when the batter runner touches first base the runner at 3rd must immediately advance home or return to 3rd. Have ss or 2nd base covering 2nd, the pitcher cannot be faking any throws, wait until the runner is close to 2nd and then fire the ball to the player covering for a quick tag and then they must be ready to immediately throw home for the runner at 3rd if they try to advance.

Throw them out a couple of times and they won't do it anymore.

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[ang2bmd]

The runner advancing to 2nd on a walk with a runner on 3rd ends around here at good 14u. With practice and a good plan you will get 2 outs on the play.

You have to use the lookback rule to your advantage. NEVER throw the ball to first, you are not activating the lookback rule and the runner at 3rd can stay as far off the base as they like. Get ball back to pitcher as quickly as possible and have her move toward the back of the circle as close to 2nd as possible. Now when the batter runner touches first base the runner at 3rd must immediately advance home or return to 3rd. Have ss or 2nd base covering 2nd, the pitcher cannot be faking any throws, wait until the runner is close to 2nd and then fire the ball to the player covering for a quick tag and then they must be ready to immediately throw home for the runner at 3rd if they try to advance.

Throw them out a couple of times and they won't do it anymore.

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Yes..my daughter's team executes this well. Few teams do....even the big time teams we play don't do it well....

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[Westwind]

Yes..my daughter's team executes this well. Few teams do....even the big time teams we play don't do it well....

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You can tell ‘em, but they won’t believe it until you do it to them, then do it again an inning later. lol.

It worked in the 16u PGF championship game last year if I’m not mistaken.

It is shocking how well this works. Against good teams.

Comp explains what I think is the best way to defend it. Best possible outcome against an offensive team that knows how to run it (which means they have speed) is usually pushing the runner back to first and hopefully keeping them there.

@ang2bmd, now a question: does your coach run this with 2 outs? And what usually happens?

 

[Strike2]

I would agree that inept base running is a big part of getting the scenarios mentioned by Strike2. Players who are jogging to 2B, expecting to be unchallenged, are the problem. My DD and her 14U teammates took advantage of that mistake multiple times. A team that is good with base-running, and stays aware, will be successful a lot more often.

My DD's current 16U team, however, is struggling with how to run the defense on this play properly, and has gotten worked over by decent base-running teams, usually giving up a run, and often not getting an out. SMH...

Doesn't matter if the runner going to 2B is jogging or not. If you have an athletic middle infield that can throw and catch well, and knows how to leverage the LB rule as Comp describes, only the the speediest runner off 3B has a chance.

 

[flash277]

You can tell ‘em, but they won’t believe it until you do it to them, then do it again an inning later. lol.

It worked in the 16u PGF championship game last year if I’m not mistaken.

It is shocking how well this works. Against good teams.

Comp explains what I think is the best way to defend it. Best possible outcome against an offensive team that knows how to run it (which means they have speed) is usually pushing the runner back to first and hopefully keeping them there.

@ang2bmd, now a question: does your coach run this with 2 outs? And what usually happens?

Then what do you do when the runner on first steals 2nd on the next pitch?

 

[Strike2]

The runner advancing to 2nd on a walk with a runner on 3rd ends around here at good 14u. With practice and a good plan you will get 2 outs on the play.

You have to use the lookback rule to your advantage. NEVER throw the ball to first, you are not activating the lookback rule and the runner at 3rd can stay as far off the base as they like. Get ball back to pitcher as quickly as possible and have her move toward the back of the circle as close to 2nd as possible. Now when the batter runner touches first base the runner at 3rd must immediately advance home or return to 3rd. Have ss or 2nd base covering 2nd, the pitcher cannot be faking any throws, wait until the runner is close to 2nd and then fire the ball to the player covering for a quick tag and then they must be ready to immediately throw home for the runner at 3rd if they try to advance.

Throw them out a couple of times and they won't do it anymore.

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We cover 2B with the SS, and our second baseman moves to intercept the runner if she's jogging. The throw can go to either, and both are very quick. One tag attempt off the catch, and then an immediate throw Home.

 

[Eric F]

Doesn't matter if the runner going to 2B is jogging or not. If you have an athletic middle infield that can throw and catch well, and knows how to leverage the LB rule as Comp describes, only the the speediest runner off 3B has a chance.

You touched on the exact issues of why my DD's current team struggles with it, and her previous team didn't. Our current pattern is once the ball gets thrown to 2B, they focus on the runner from 1B, and the run scores unchallenged. Then, they blow the run-down, and end up giving the runner 2B anyway. SMH...

 

[chinamigarden]

Well....i guess our organization never plays a defense that knows what its doing because this is effective for us from 10u to 18u at a national level. Rarely involves an out. Doesn't always score a run but usually results in our runner on 2nd. I might argue the its the offensive teams you've seen that don't know how to run this play properly if they are frequently getting out.

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It’s an out at most levels above 11u. I never saw it after 16u. Defenses get good at defending it and the infielders arms get too strong.