Missing home base

[The Man In Blue]

I'm not sure what rule citation you are looking for.

@marriard provided the basepath cite. "Abandonment" would depend on the code. Other than that, rules generally tell us what we cannot do, not what we can do. If it isn't "cannot" then it is can.

The base path rule does not say "to the left or right" it says "away from the path." Backwards is still away from a path.

 

[CoachCeetar]

The base path rule does not say "to the left or right" it says "away from the path." Backwards is still away from a path.

Is the idea that between first and second, there are TWO paths creating during the tag attempt? Because you can obviously back pedal from a tag attempt at second, but that would put you on the path to first.

 

[The Man In Blue]

Is the idea that between first and second, there are TWO paths creating during the tag attempt? Because you can obviously back pedal from a tag attempt at second, but that would put you on the path to first.

Not two paths, but two possibilities.

We were talking about a runner who missed home. There is nowhere else for them to go.

 

[JohnPitcher]

But the limite of 3 feet is only to the left or to the right not backwards.
Following this theory, if there is a tag attempt the runner may not moves from home more than 3 feet? Is there a reference for the?

 

[JohnPitcher]

BASE PATH not baseline.

Once the tag is no longer being attempted, the base path goes away and can be reestablished with another tag attempt which happens regularly in a pickle between bases and multiple throws,

And yes, avoiding the tag directly 4' back from the a base path is out in this case as there is not a base to retreat to. I believe there is a USA case for this - don't have that in front of me.

In USSSA it is Rule 8.18.A
Sec 18. Any runner is out when the runner: A. Runs more than three feet away from the base path to avoid being tagged, or to hinder a fielder while the runner is advancing or returning to a base. EXCEPTION: This is not an infraction if a fielder, attempting to make an initial play on a batted ball, is in the runner’s proper path and if the runner runs behind the fielder to avoid interfering. NOTE: When a play is being made on a runner or batter-runner, the runner establishes their base path as directly between the runner’s position and the base toward which the runner is moving.

Base Path is defined as:
BASE PATH. A base path is a direct line between a base and the runner’s position at the time a defensive player is attempting (or about to attempt) to tag a runner.

Could you post USA caseplay? Is this 8.18 A ?
Thanks.

 

[dogpatch]

We have this situation:
R3 runs towards home but he misses homeplate. He tries immediately to return to home and he moves towards home but the catcher tries to tag him out the the runner goes backwards 4ft from home to avoid the tag, is it legal? How is the basepath when the runner overrun homebase but he tries to come back again? I was just wondering how far in the vicinity of the plate must the runner go before he would be called out for being out of the baseline? I know more leeway is given around the plate but how much?

The base path rule adequately takes care of this situation. Missing home plate is actually irrelevant. In this particular case, the catcher's initial movement after gaining possession of the ball still establishes two paths for this runner... one straight to the plate and one straight back to 3B. Deviating more than 3' from either centerline would be a violation only if she is deviating more than 3' from BOTH centerlines. If running 4' backward away from home puts her out of both of those paths then she would be in violation of the rule. There should not be "more leeway" given because the situation is "around the plate".