1st year 14u - Swing mechanics what to work on

[fanboi22]

for me it’s a result. The forward move loads the scap or how I think about it now, stretches the front hip to the back shoulder across the middle and loads the obliques. you can think about it as body parts loading or you can think about like taking slack out of the entire system. They both work. Depends on how you view it. I used to think of individual body parts. Now I think of it more as a whole. Hopefully I’m not confusing you more.

haha unfortunately yes, confusion.

you state 'for me it's a result'. maybe i missed what is the result? a leveraged FYB position? or a scap load?

I cannot see how the forward move loads the scap. In that it's not a natural motion to pull the arrow back and won't happen naturally without muscle usage. If you are saying that the stretching front hip should pull back on the scap/elbow, i just don't feel it. I think they are individual body parts that have to be loaded in a sequence. And the fact that things are being stretched there needs to be resistance or force against something so it can't 'just happen'.

Maybe i am thinking of this wrong. i can see the other bit's being stretched by all this happening, but the elbow/scap load i dont see as a result of a lower half move.

 

[fanboi22]

She did that on her own. I didn’t suggest anything. I would prefer her to raise her arms and hands instead, which we are working on.

When you get time, watch this video it may help you understand what I am referring to when I say slack removal.





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to quote 'if you're going to take any joy out of being depressed.....'. He's a pretty funny guy.

I appreciate the video, very informative. I guess i am not sure what question it is answering though, sorry.

 

[julray]

FB you have a lot of information coming at you and I don't envy you . I know because I've been there before and even though everybody is trying to help and I am sure you appreciate it.. it can be a little frustrating. Personally I like her tee swing, I think she do damage with it even though it's not technically perfect. I would have your DD trying to emulate that swing as close as possible in her game swing.. and add little improvements.. hammer them home one at a time.

Maybe somebody much smarter than me can tell you the most important thing you should start with

 

[fanboi22]

Fanboi22, I like the direction you were going here.. She is fyb but then drives the legs/hips vs swinging down to using the core.. So work on getting into this fyb position with the legs/hips being used for leverage against the core being stretched.

Thanks TDS, can you describe the position her body should be in to use the legs hips for leverage? I think this is the main item everyone is trying to tell me, but i just don't know how to get her there to use the core before legs even though that was the cue. we will be working more this afternoon. I will be overcoaching her hitting and as well overcoaching her throwing. so i may post a video of the throw as well as i have posted that before.

 

[fanboi22]

There is nothing similar in Emerson’s game tee swing and game swing starting with the left heel coming off the ground. In the tee swing she appears comfortable and in control and in the game swing she appears frozen fearing the unknown (probably normal for a 1st year player starting off in a class tournament).

Tee work. Make it more game like. An at bat starts before she enters the box and she needs to develop ‘her’ routine, not the coach’s. Put down a home plate. Make a line for the inside line of the batter’s box. A piece of cardboard and some rope will work.

Move the tee to different locations and height. Each time the ball goes on the tee, give her ownership of her dance as to how she looks to the 3rd base coach for a sign; enters the box to ensure plate coverage; pre-pitch relaxation; look out to the pitcher to assimilate the ball coming to the tee. Do believe the Stone video in post 273 just may be very entertaining.

Practice swing: Work on timing. Where is the pitcher in the motion when the heel starts up so the left foot can be moving forward at release. She would probably like a lot of these dad.

Game swing. It’s okay to breathe Emerson. It is a game.

Mechanics are not going to produce desired results if the mind is not right.

Again, appreciate the comments. This was a first step to change her swing mechanically to help her mental side. She knows she wasn't doing well so to get her into a confident mindset is key.

 

[Work=wins]

haha unfortunately yes, confusion.

you state 'for me it's a result'. maybe i missed what is the result? a leveraged FYB position? or a scap load?

I cannot see how the forward move loads the scap. In that it's not a natural motion to pull the arrow back and won't happen naturally without muscle usage. If you are saying that the stretching front hip should pull back on the scap/elbow, i just don't feel it. I think they are individual body parts that have to be loaded in a sequence. And the fact that things are being stretched there needs to be resistance or force against something so it can't 'just happen'.

Maybe i am thinking of this wrong. i can see the other bit's being stretched by all this happening, but the elbow/scap load i dont see as a result of a lower half move.

this might be a light bulb moment... look when Buster ‘loads’ the scap. Very very late.that is scap retraction. Scap ‘load’ is a farse. It’s reactive and if made active can introduce slack to the system. Scap retraction is when the elbow pokes back behind Buster. It is truly reactive. Never have I taught it.

 

[DRDRODD]

to quote 'if you're going to take any joy out of being depressed.....'. He's a pretty funny guy.

I appreciate the video, very informative. I guess i am not sure what question it is answering though, sorry.

Lol I understand....... maybe think of it as under your skin you are encased in a wetsuit........ By moving parts of the body it will pull on other parts. This creates tension, if there are anchors in place. When the body is at rest there is slack in the suite but when we stride, walk, run etc..... this creates tension within the body.... this wetsuit is stretched and fights to get back to its state of rest. We can leverage that tension and use it to our advantage if done correctly ie. “the sequence”


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[TDS]

Thanks TDS, can you describe the position her body should be in to use the legs hips for leverage? I think this is the main item everyone is trying to tell me, but i just don't know how to get her there to use the core before legs even though that was the cue. we will be working more this afternoon. I will be overcoaching her hitting and as well overcoaching her throwing. so i may post a video of the throw as well as i have posted that before.

The obliques (core) need to be stretched against legs/hips.. So its S--t---r---e--t--c--h/contract... The legs/hips are holding there ground against the stretch not actively turning rotating.

 

[fanboi22]

FB you have a lot of information coming at you and I don't envy you . I know because I've been there before and even though everybody is trying to help and I am sure you appreciate it.. it can be a little frustrating. Personally I like her tee swing, I think she do damage with it even though it's not technically perfect. I would have your DD trying to emulate that swing as close as possible in her game swing.. and add little improvements.. hammer them home one at a time.

Maybe somebody much smarter than me can tell you the most important thing you should start with

Thank you. I think there is alot of good info, i am just trying to parse thru it as alot is wholistic and is not as specific as i personally need to help my DD. Currently i am looking to fix her upper body twist load. Maybe there will be a diff feel is she can hold that steady with a little more over the plate posture. She felt and looked great hitting that ball and her comment of 'that was a homer' really got her pumped for what we are working on.

This is a means to an end to get her better timed so that she can stay consistent with this prelauch procedure. Her hand eye coordination will take over if we can get her to a good launch position.

And even in this little time spent on this, i do not feel any need to worry about turning the barrel as that will happen from the good position. Now i think she needs to focus on a higher handset and am now understanding what the old Braun video shows. However any instruction to isolate without full posture will always look off.

I just cannot yet 'feel' alot of what the posters are saying to do, so it is hard to translate. I am getting there. will post once we put in some more time. will try to front toss next.

 

[fanboi22]

this might be a light bulb moment... look when Buster ‘loads’ the scap. Very very late.that is scap retraction. Scap ‘load’ is a farse. It’s reactive and if made active can introduce slack to the system. Scap retraction is when the elbow pokes back behind Buster. It is truly reactive. Never have I taught it.
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I guess this will be something we need to work on. I see this scap retraction as a result of a tip and rip barrel action. I see him actively moving his hands back while slightly tipping the barrel so that at the end of his stride he is nice and stretched.

When you say it is a reaction. What is it a reaction to? A reaction to me is involuntary, that something other than itself is forcing it to move.