Rear elbow leading the hands

[SBFAMILY]

This is not Howard demonstrating this.

Come to a clinic and ask her yourself as she is still alive and can answer your questions.

Could you please show us you using video of what you feel is the correct transition point.

Please do not post some one elses swing. Please show us you actually doing it yourself or even your daughter or a student.

Words are interesting an you actually showing us what you do would be helpful.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

It was a simple question SBF … if you are advocating a perfectly stacked vertical forearm, then you are advocating something that has yet to be captured in a live game swing. It doesn’t matter if ‘you’, ‘Howard’, or ‘Dana’ is directing the girl in the above video to maintain a perfectly vertical rear forearm … the question is if that is what you mean by ‘stacked’ and if this is what you advocate. It’s a simple question. Do you have an answer?

 

[SBFAMILY]

Yes!

Now could you answer a question please?

Can you show us how YOU actually teach it and explain it? Please do not use someone else as a model as if you actually teach you should be able to be brave enough to go on video and actually perform it.

From the book, Talent is Over Rated, "Edward de Bono, the best known business consultant on creative thinking, has stated this view explicitly: "Too much experience within a field may restrict creativity because you know so well how things should be done that you are unable to escape to come up with new ideas."

Please come to a clinic and watch her do what you say can not be done so you can ask her yourself or demonstrate your way works better. Possibly it is how one would view it when actually teaching it and the mental image and feeling the student gets from trying to do it that makes it work.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I had hoped you grasped the value of the Hanson Principle and were applying it as a filter.

The Hanson Principle (… the one to use)
“Always compare what anybody tells you about the swing to slow motion clips of the best hitters in the world”.
-- Mark Hanson

 

[SBFAMILY]

Could care less about the Hanson Principle.

Did TSW understand the Hanson Principle?

So when are you going to actually show us something verses talking it to death?

Show us your video of you actually demonstrating something as simple as what the elbow does as it transitions to connection.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

SBF, it is clear that you personally "care less about the Hanson Principle" ..... otherwise you wouldn't be teaching what you are promoting.

From my perspective ... the Hanson Principle is a valuable filter that assists in avoiding nonsense and with taking steps backwards.

I'm not understanding your comment about "talking to death". Is there something that you feel that hasn't been described well enough for you to follow?

As an FYI, I personally don't teach the 'elbow', I teach the actions that control the movement of the elbow.

 

[SBFAMILY]

Didn't figure we would see you teaching, like you post everyone else.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Funny stuff SBF.

We’re on a message board about hitting … … … a message board with a title of “Softball Hitting Technical” … and yet you are critizing people for discussing hitting.

Sort of ironic isn’t it? Why would you frequent a message board on the topic of hitting if you weren’t interested in discussions on hitting? Even more interesting … why would you bother complaining? If you didn’t like the content of a particular thread … wouldn’t it be easy to pass on reading the threads using whatever filtering system you have?

If you are big into giving demonstrations … then have a go at it and post your demonstrations.

I find it interesting that you aren’t criticizing a particular idea, notion, hitting mechanic, approach, mentality, or whatever, but simply criticizing discussion in general.

It’s difficult to take your complaint seriously. What are you expecting when you frequent a message board on hitting? It’s almost as if you expect people to come together, hold hands, ignore real data, pretend that they don’t see actual video, toss out the Hanson Principle, avoid bringing reality into the picture, drop filters that weed out ill conceived notions, and start singing the praises to Howard. I mean c’mon … the guy can’t be that conceited … give him more credit than that.

Look, I’m not trashing Howard, but neither am I praising him. I’m not star-struck by the guy. Howard is simply one of the guys … nothing more, and nothing less. He certainly doesn’t belong on a pedestal, nor do his concepts that defy the Hanson Principle belong beyond question.

This is a message board on hitting. One can expect concepts that violate the Hanson Principle to be questioned and filtered out by many. What you seem to want is a pro-Howard message board. Consider starting one. Then complain when the topic of hitting comes up.

 

[Bishop]

Shockcoach,

Looking at the clip, the rear elbow is definitly getting too far ahead.

When working with players that have this kind of flaw I make a point of emphasis that the back elbow catches and moves with the hip. (RVP type elbow/hip/shoulder connection)

If you haven't had luck correcting this problem with the existing suggestions you might try focusing on the players hips for a change to improve the swing timing. You could have her try to start the hips sooner so the elbow gets to connection closer to contact, or you could leave the sequence alone and have her focus on exploding her hips into the swing. Speed up the hips to make connecting the elbow and shoulder easier.

Another thing I noticed in the clip but am not real sure about since it's not a prefered angle for me is the contact point and body angle at contact.

It looks like she is making contact pretty far out in front and might be lunging to the ball a bit. Hard to tell but something to look for at practices. If she is lunging out for the ball that's going to disconnect the swing and show in the rear elbow. It might be as simple as getting them to wait on the ball, make contact in a better location that doesn't cause mechanical flaws before contact.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]