Time for a video analysis

[Doug Romrell]

I don't think she was talking about the hand stacking over the elbow at the back stripe of the pants. Some here say that does not happen in the swing.


On a slow motion swing (like bustos) this could happen on a demonstration.


Of course I always use my own daughter as an example.
I do teach her and yes I do teach girls.
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SL

I can see where this "hand stacking over the elbow" might help those who tend to have a chip-type swing, meaning they can't seem to get the barrel to level with the path of the pitch going into contact. It's as if they need to work toward this "hand stacking over the elbow" a bit more. I can see how it would help with barrel leveling on the path of the pitch, as it seems to help prevent the chip-type swing. Comments?

 

[Eric F]

I was not there. I would just be guessing.

My guess is she was showing how to fully rotate on a high inside pitch, and how to keep it in fair territory down the line.

I do know for a fact that she teaches a higher hand set at set up. She says at the Olympic level those pitchers can really work that high strike zone and you need to have the hands up to hit that.

Howard and I teach top hand / top of ear at set up.



SL

What is really puzzling me about the clip is that the movement of her lead arm appears to obscure her view of an incoming pitch. That's why I wondered if this was a drill for exaggeration. I can't see how this is a demonstration of an effective swing.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

I can see where this "hand stacking over the elbow" might help those who tend to have a chip-type swing, meaning they can't seem to get the barrel to level with the path of the pitch going into contact. It's as if they need to work toward this "hand stacking over the elbow" a bit more. I can see how it would help with barrel leveling on the path of the pitch, as it seems to help prevent the chip-type swing. Comments?

Sure, a few comments follow ....

The bat orientation is as it should be. Don't ignore this.

The rear arm is in a "Vee" relationship.

The rear elbow is not widely displaced from the body.

The top hand is not stacked over the elbow.

The this point in the swing, which has been given several names by different hitting systems, the top hand, rear elbow, rear shoulder are close to aligned on the same plane as with the stripe along the rear hip.

It's considered an important position to pass through.

 

[tjintx]

Sure, a few comments follow ....

The bat orientation is as it should be. Don't ignore this.

The rear arm is in a "Vee" relationship.

The rear elbow is not widely displaced from the body.

The top hand is not stacked over the elbow.

The this point in the swing, which has been given several names by different hitting systems, the top hand, rear elbow, rear shoulder are close to aligned on the same plane as with the stripe along the rear hip.

It's considered an important position to pass through.

PASS THROUGH is the most important thing to remember. If you tell your hitters to get to this position the rear elbow will stall resulting in a push to contact.

 

[FP26]

PASS THROUGH is the most important thing to remember. If you tell your hitters to get to this position the rear elbow will stall resulting in a push to contact.

You read my mind This is something that I look for when I film those I work with. But I don't ask them to duplicate it. It is a check point for me, not something they should focus on. IMO of course.

 

[straightleg]

I can see where this "hand stacking over the elbow" might help those who tend to have a chip-type swing, meaning they can't seem to get the barrel to level with the path of the pitch going into contact. It's as if they need to work toward this "hand stacking over the elbow" a bit more. I can see how it would help with barrel leveling on the path of the pitch, as it seems to help prevent the chip-type swing. Comments?

So many girls don't maintain elbow spacing with the high back elbow. The back arm will slot 4 inches or so before the front elbow connects / moves. At this point they have become not connected to the core.
Slow your dd's swing down and see if this happens

Connection devices or slow motion swings stacking the hand over the elbow will help the hitter feel elbow spacing and how they work together in the swing.
If all this is driven first with a elvis, box type lower body swing first then the hitters will generate power.



SL

 

[FP26]

Straightleg - I have two questions for you. Is your daughter happy with her abilities? Are your other students happy with their abilities? If the answer to both questions is "yes", that is good enough for me. Every hitting site I have been on is loaded with numerous different philosophies (except for those that do not allow free expression, of course). Some are radically different. Some only a little. Some seem almost identical with the exception of the terminology. If the true answer was so simple, there wouldn't be so much debate about it, would there?

Its funny you hitting experts comment on swings of my daughter with no proof of what you teach. Show your daughter...Not
Show a student....not
I call you all internet hitting guru's.
Stand behind a computer and post on daughters of parents with no real experience of teaching hitters.


You post everything that is not your own, but seem to try to claim it as your own. Like you were there and know all about it.

Please post anything you do that is your own. Daughter student

MLB, Other peoples daughters that play college sports, golf videos don't count...




SL

 

[straightleg]

I don't think she was talking about the hand stacking over the elbow at the back stripe of the pants. Some here say that does not happen in the swing.


On a slow motion swing (like bustos) this could happen on a demonstration.


Of course I always use my own daughter as an example.
I do teach her and yes I do teach girls.
I approve this message....





SL

Bonds and my daughter is in the box position. They both have not released the barrel / sweet spot of the bat to impact yet.
I absolutely teach this to my hitters and my hitters don't push the bat.

This happens so fast. If you have your hitters turn the corner just a bit, before they release, just like these two hitters.
You will hit with power.
My opinion from real results.

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SL

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

We've covered the topic of leading with the front elbow multiple times .... http://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-hitting-practical/14729-need-help-what-i-think-casting-10.html#post198527

 

[mann]

Of course you do Mann ....

I recall your earlier failed experiments in this area.

You leave a bad taste on this site Fiveframe.

Your recall is failing also, the pic of my dd was from a tee session working on suggestions from this site and bbds, on fixing bat drag, which was successful, not bat whip, or pivot points.


Can someone name a part of the swing that is not a pass through point?