Riseball spin

[Ken B]

As I recall, Escobedo's RB is (was) spiral and very effective.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Tell the best pitcher in college softball this - Escobedo - and watch her laugh all over ya.....

Batter are learning to lay off the FAKE riseballer more n more these days.

Discounting a TRUE riseball would be a HUGE mistake in assessing a "just-right" 12U bullet-spin fastballer for her next growth-pitch.

I have seen Escobedo pitch live on multiple occasions ...... she threw a 'bullet spin' riseball.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

Kinda, sorta, maybe, not really. How do you come up with that? 12-6 is down spin from both the catcher and pitcher's viewpoint.

In your self admitted perusing of previous threads you should have seen that spin orientation as discussed here is from the catcher's perspective.

In the example below we start with a reference of '12' and move to '6' in a clockwise direction ...

In the next example we start with a reference of '6' and move to '12' in a clockwise direction ...

Depending on your starting point you might refer to this as 12-to-6, or 6-to-12 .... yet the ball is spinning in the same direction.

 

[RubberBiscuit]

I have seen Escobedo pitch live on multiple occasions ...... she threw a 'bullet spin' riseball.

I don't get it then....... - She can mow down the hitters of the best teams in the world yet - she throws a bullet-spin (aka the "easiest pitch to hit" as claimed by soooooo many here in DFP a short time ago......)

(I tried finding a slow-mo of Escobedo's pitched "rise" - could not find one)

 

[cuzmail]

In the example below we start with a reference of '12' and move to '6' in a clockwise direction ...

In the next example we start with a reference of '6' and move to '12' in a clockwise direction ...

Depending on your starting point you might refer to this as 12-to-6, or 6-to-12 .... yet the ball is spinning in the same direction.

Wow! IIRC, You are the first to ever reference the spin from the side view. No wonder!!!!!!!!!

In the case you are actually referencing the view from the catcher's perspective, then that wouldn't be a rise ball at all.

 

[FiveFrameSwing]

That's the point .... some of the 'better' riseball pitchers throw a 'bullet spin' riseball .... and when you analyze the profile of those pitches you observe the expected pitch profile of a riseball ... similar to Daniel Lawrie's 'bullet spin' riseball shown earlier in this thread.

 

[cuzmail]

bullet spin is not a riseball.

 

[Doug Romrell]

In the example below we start with a reference of '12' and move to '6' in a clockwise direction ...

In the next example we start with a reference of '6' and move to '12' in a clockwise direction ...

Depending on your starting point you might refer to this as 12-to-6, or 6-to-12 .... yet the ball is spinning in the same direction.

Hmmm...

I've always looked at it from the catcher's perspective, due mainly to the fact that it's kinda where the batter is. And, the pitch is pitched to be hit (or not) by the batter. So, standing behind home plate viewing the ball, you'd have to draw those red arrows downward from 12 to 6 right down the middle for a drop-ball. You have to draw those arrows pointing up from 6 to 12 straight up the middle of the ball (straight lines up) for a perfect riseball.

 

[Doug Romrell]

A perfect bullet spin is not a riseball.

A riseball is a pitch with backward spin.

 

[JJsqueeze]

We need to start using military time for the description of spin and the frame of reference needs to be from inside the ball facing the catcher. A rise ball is 24-12 and is thrown at 0 mph but the ground has to travel at -60 mph to be effective. Glad I could clear that up. You're welcome.