- Aug 21, 2008
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John, first, my apologies. One of the last times I came onto this site, I read a thread about someone looking for a pitching coach in Dallas. It's a few pages back now and I just re-read the thread. I remember that you had replied in the thread but, I incorrectly associated you with the "attack" that went on me by someone named "Longshot". He/she made some very bitter remarks about how people need to worship at the "alter of Bill Hillhouse" and went onto say something to the effect of anyone saying nice things about me is on my payroll. I don't know who Longshot is, they choose to hide behind their keyboard and never email me personally with how, why and where I offended them. I incorrectly associated those comments as coming from you. I am terribly sorry for that. I didn't reply to the thread and decided to let it go. I think that is what Curious George was referring to because I am sure I mentioned to him at lessons what I had read and that I thought it came from you. Obviously CG didn't do his homework either. While I haven't been able to give lessons to his daughter lately, when I do we usually spend some time chit chatting about DFP and what the latest news from here is since I rarely come on. I specifically remember asking him if he read the message about Dallas and he telling me no, that he doesn't read the threads of people looking for coaches since he doesn't know of anyone outside of Ohio where he lives. So, he took me at MY word on what I thought I read. So, while CG owes you an apology, the entire thing is MY FAULT for confusing what was said from coming from you. I hope you will accept that apology.
I still want to know how and why you would ever get the impression I would say bad things about you personally. And, I don't think IR is "crap". But, I do think it's been way overblown. There is no question that bio-mechanically it is real, necessary for success, and contradicts the HE (which actually is crap!!!). My problem with IR is the amount of people I see that have done more damage than good trying to do it. Many many of them end up rolling the hand over the ball instead of letting the IR happen naturally and after the pitch is released. Now, I realize that is NOT what you are advocating and teaching. But that's what I see a great number of people doing. It's almost a mini version of a chicken wing, forcing the hand over instead of letting the IR do it. This is when I tell them to take the IR out of their brains for a few minutes. Lets pitch without forcing anything, no IR, no HE, and concentrate on whipping your elbow as hard as you can.... just as a baseball player whips his elbow when throwing a FB overhand. Low and behold, the elbow leads the way, the wrist snaps in following the elbow, and the fingers follow the wrist... bingo... IR has occurred. So, it's not IR I have trouble with. It's the forced motion this is incorrect and not actually IR. I hope that clears that up.
Going back to the Dallas thread, someone named DNeed said there are plenty of people that disagree with me (obviously he's not on my payroll either) but, when I read that I always wonder what it is. What does this guy disagree with, what is his frame of reference for disagreeing, and what evidence is there that "his method" will work in a game or work long term for a pitcher? I mean, I still very much consider myself a student of the game. And if Mr Need has a better way of doing something or can tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'd really like to know. I am NOT saying this with sarcasm, being snarky, or with an attitude. I try to teach pitching based off what I learned through trial and error during my career. While I never got a college scholarship for pitching, I still did pitch a more than a few games. So, I'd like to know what I should be doing. As Donnie Baker once said: I was offered a full ride scholarship to the University of Phoenix but, I had Tommy John surgery on both my knees and that ruined my career.
Again, my apologies John (Boardmember). It seems this was my fault and I own up to my mistakes.
Bill
I still want to know how and why you would ever get the impression I would say bad things about you personally. And, I don't think IR is "crap". But, I do think it's been way overblown. There is no question that bio-mechanically it is real, necessary for success, and contradicts the HE (which actually is crap!!!). My problem with IR is the amount of people I see that have done more damage than good trying to do it. Many many of them end up rolling the hand over the ball instead of letting the IR happen naturally and after the pitch is released. Now, I realize that is NOT what you are advocating and teaching. But that's what I see a great number of people doing. It's almost a mini version of a chicken wing, forcing the hand over instead of letting the IR do it. This is when I tell them to take the IR out of their brains for a few minutes. Lets pitch without forcing anything, no IR, no HE, and concentrate on whipping your elbow as hard as you can.... just as a baseball player whips his elbow when throwing a FB overhand. Low and behold, the elbow leads the way, the wrist snaps in following the elbow, and the fingers follow the wrist... bingo... IR has occurred. So, it's not IR I have trouble with. It's the forced motion this is incorrect and not actually IR. I hope that clears that up.
Going back to the Dallas thread, someone named DNeed said there are plenty of people that disagree with me (obviously he's not on my payroll either) but, when I read that I always wonder what it is. What does this guy disagree with, what is his frame of reference for disagreeing, and what evidence is there that "his method" will work in a game or work long term for a pitcher? I mean, I still very much consider myself a student of the game. And if Mr Need has a better way of doing something or can tell me what I'm doing wrong, I'd really like to know. I am NOT saying this with sarcasm, being snarky, or with an attitude. I try to teach pitching based off what I learned through trial and error during my career. While I never got a college scholarship for pitching, I still did pitch a more than a few games. So, I'd like to know what I should be doing. As Donnie Baker once said: I was offered a full ride scholarship to the University of Phoenix but, I had Tommy John surgery on both my knees and that ruined my career.
Again, my apologies John (Boardmember). It seems this was my fault and I own up to my mistakes.
Bill
