What is a SNF?
Steve Huff,
This in particular makes no sense and probably deserves a more well thought out description with visuals in its own thread....but to humor you I would disagree with your analysis and say "rear shoulder drop" aka lateral tilt is a function of your lower body....
She hits the ball a bit on the inside of the sweet spot of the bat...it happens, thats why they make them so big these days.
Bat Head...I believe the head is the end of anything. So yes the BAT HEAD is below the ball.
The CONTACT POINT....to me means the point of the bat that comes in contact with the ball. Her CONTACT POINT does not go below the ball. If you mean the CONTACT POINT as the absolute center of the sweet spot, then yes her's is below the ball. I did not give her advice on this...the burden of proof doesn't lay on me.
Stretch & Fire (SnF) - See the GIFs right above your post and in the last few pages of this thread.
Where is the explanation of the proper way to perform the SNF?
"You provide no video or gif where the plane of the bat goes below the ball". Yes, not knightsb's daughter, but in the gifs you offer of the college girls, the bat head or contact point, to be specific if that helps your understanding, does not go below the ball. Knightsb's daughter's bat, bat head, or contact point does go below the ball. Not hard to understand. You know what I am saying all along. That part of the bat which would normally make contact on the ball. Pretty simple. I do not change my point. I change my language to help you. And I specified we were not talking about the bat tip or end cap.
Hers HERS?? It originally was typed "Here is". Part of it got lost somehow.
This looks like an old trick of yours: "At no point in the swing of any bat, by any batter, below the back elbow, is the bat tip not lower than the contact point. In none of your gifs, do I see an uppercut of any significance that is visible. Just as in the video below, the contact pointit looks to me that see hit it just on the inside of the sweet spot? Is that what you are trying to say? That she didn't hit it perfect dead center on the sweet spot? goes below the ball and she misses it completely, even though it is a horizontal plane.her hands are above the ball, that is not horizontal, that is diagonal It is also possible for the "bat" or "contact point" to go below the ball in a low pitch, as knightsb's daughter did.what? In knightsb, I see his daughter's contact point go below the ball, and that was at full speed. The still shot proves it.the shot proves what? That she upper cut swings? or she missed the center of the sweet spot? You are not helping the OP."
"goes below the ball and she misses it completely, even though it is a horizontal plane." It isn't a horizontal plane." I wrote that! I think it is a fair criticism because I exaggerated. It is a fairly horizontal plane. And you are correct, that the hands are a little above the ball as shown in your gif below from post #154. When I read this it sounded a little convoluted and incomplete. It crosses two axis which I talked about and that is not truly horizontal. So according to you, she hit the ball, not the tee and the ball. According to you, the bat had a flat trajectory to the ball? Well I think anyone with 20/80 vision can see differently.
http://i1273.photobucket.com/albums/y403/karandjas/knightcontact_zpsc8b50293.gif
from post #154
You went from a good point to just plane dumb: "When the bat is flat, you don't have to judge accurately the horizontal plane because if you are accurate vertically, the ball may contact at any point on the barrel and have solid contact. So now your saying swing the barrel flat?" No, I am not saying anything similar. I am saying that if your bat is flat, you do not have to be accurate in evaluating the ball on the horizontal plane. If your bat is swung vertical, such as at the knees inside, you do not have to be a accurate on the vertical plane.
"Uh yeah, so if the bat is straight up and down the ball stands more of a chance of missing it to the right or left. If the bat is parallel to the ground, the ball stands more of a chance of missing it above or below. So what?" Exactly! When you have the swing which is at 45 degrees diagonally, such as at the low outside corner, you have a chance to miss more often on 2, not 1 axis.
"the shot proves what? That she upper cut swings? or she missed the center of the sweet spot?" The photo and gif show that she missed the ball, and her contact point hit the tee and bottom of the ball, and that she had a loopy swing, with a serious upper-cut after contact.
I am supplying a graphic, a photo, of the young lady's swing as provided by knightsb. "a still photo of an action" Yes actually! I am supplying a photo which is blurred, showing her bat path, just as the later gif shows that issue even more completely. If you look at that gif in #177 you can see that the bat makes a pretty deep "U" shaped path to the ball. Any diagonal swing will have a "U' shape simply because this isn't perfectly horizontal, (Again, I refer to the gif re-posted above from post #154 which shows it to be fairly horizontal), but this is deep. And this is one little swing! One! That is being drug into the mud as if it is a crime scene. It was an innocent miss!
Am I disagreeing with MTS? Yes! Knightsb asked for opinion. MTS nor your opinion preclude anyone else's opinion, unless you are of certain political persuasions and try to shut other people up. I have a right to disagree. That would be best done with some evidence to support an argument. But you always resort to the same equivocating obfuscating diatribe that simulates ad hominem attack. Just disagree, and state your case. If you can't prove a point, or if you like linear hitting more than rotational, or if you like MTS's point, then stick with it. Your view does not threaten me in the least. And MTS's view does not threaten me or the sport. It is a theory and point of view. My point of view is that knightsb's daughter has few issues to correct. She is very good, just overstrides, getting too stretched out, has a barred front arm which MTS says is not big deal and I very much disagree. Like hitting inside pitches with a barred arm! Creating an inside out swing with a barred front arm! And she needs to learn to hit the ball deeper as the pitch moves away from her in the strike zone. So my view is more simple about her abilities. Make your point.
I completely agree. If you didn't, no matter, I had already said something similiar. My whole original point was that I didn't think her bat path was too bad, and several of her swings were similiar to the gifs I posted. I am done debating this.deep. And this is one little swing! One! That is being drug into the mud as if it is a crime scene. It was an innocent miss!