Help with DD going all forward

[mann]

Widened "V", yes. But some of the widening occurs above the elbow as well. The upper and lower arm both need to work together.

My point is that you cannot turn the barrel, or get that barrel down, with the arm Above the elbow. These guys that have a Deeper swing, will have the arm more horizontal sooner, with a widened V sooner.

I am not sure about this, maybe someone with a zep can measure this, but to employ more of a good whip, to utilize the first turning motions of the upper, a swing that is to deep will not have the same speed as one that turns a bit more, before moving the handle to far from the body.

 

[Buttermaker]

Thanks for responding Butter. The elbow should not be the key. it is the widened V and a Not vertical arm.

Do me a favor and set up a tee for your students like this

And while I may use "elbow" I really mean the rear arm. Either way - let me know how they make out hitting line drives the oppo way. Then coach them about the rear arm / elbow direction coupled with getting the front arm off the chest to start the swing.

BTW - I never said vertical arm anywhere.

 

[inde53546]

Way out of my league but a couple questions. Does anybody feel shed benefit from a higher handset initially or raising her hands higher as she loads? It appears she stands up several inches as she goes into launch probably because she's so low to start do you view this as an issue? With her explosion im surprised she isn't having more success

 

[mann]

Do me a favor and set up a tee for your students like this

And while I may use "elbow" I really mean the rear arm. Either way - let me know how they make out hitting line drives the oppo way. Then coach them about the rear arm / elbow direction coupled with getting the front arm off the chest to start the swing.

BTW - I never said vertical arm anywhere.

i do this drill all the time. I get out from, rdbass has made me understand what Out from means. But now hold on while you "turn" on an inside pitch. as in "around"

I guess this quote through me off " The rear elbow should still try and work under the hands" Which to me means hands above the elbow.

And YES, to indies higher hand set.IMHO

 

[DRDRODD]

DRDRODD-I spend my entire friggin life on a softball field, 4 nights a week and most weekends. Both girls play with fairly large orgs so I see multiple teams practicing at from 12u to 18u nightly. At tournaments we see many teams that are top ten in the nation. Being a DFP geek one of my hobbies is to walk around when the girls aren't playing and subtly judge the mechanics of every pitcher and hitter I see. Your girl has a very respectable swing. You have absolutely nothing to worry about if she is bringing that swing into games. That is a big IF though. I love my DDs T swings and still cringe at their game swings though. If she is not hitting for power I would look at live swings in a game to identify the problem, this T swing has enough oomph to hit the ball hard but she may be doing something vastly different in the box.

This is the technical hitting forum so the swing mechanics rightly rule the day, but the reality of hitting is that once a swing is devoid of big flaws, then the mental side of hitting becomes more important. Does she understand what HER pitches are? Does she have techniques for working out her timing before she gets in the box? Does she go after her pitches aggressively? can she fight off borderline pitches when she is behind?

Mechanics need to be good enough to square up pitches in a good portion of the zone, catch up to top end speed in her division while being adjustable enough to hit a CU.

I would be so bold as to say that for MOST girls at the TB level, it is their approach and decision making in the box that limits their performance more often than their mechanics.

edit to add- when i say top speed in her division, I do not mean the top speed she faces..I mean top level speed for that division. this is a little subjective but I would say 10u=50mph, 12U=55mph, 14U=60 MPH, 16U and up=65MPH. Yes there are girls that throw harder at each level and a lot that can't come close to those numbers at each level, but if she can get the bat around at these speeds at those levels then she is probably doing a lot right.

JJ thanks for your reply. I totally agree that she isn't taking her tee swing into the box with her at this time and the mental side of it. Her swing seems to be very consistent whether she is hitting 20 mph front toss or a pitcher throwing heat the outcome always send to be the same. We worked on trying to get the barrel turned earlier in the swing last night while at the cages and for the first time since a former coach taught her to drive the knob to the ball then turn the barrel with a wrist snap, she was peppering the back of a 80ft cage she was very excited to see this. I know this will probably take a long time before showing up in games but at least she will be failing while trying to get the correct sequence.


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[Buttermaker]

Mann,

The rear elbow should still try and work under the hands

was a reference to getting the rear elbow to work away from the body and not into the body which would send the hands away from the body.

 

[mann]

JJ thanks for your reply. I totally agree that she isn't taking her tee swing into the box with her at this time and the mental side of it. Her swing seems to be very consistent whether she is hitting 20 mph front toss or a pitcher throwing heat the outcome always send to be the same. We worked on trying to get the barrel turned earlier in the swing last night while at the cages and for the first time since a former coach taught her to drive the knob to the ball then turn the barrel with a wrist snap, she was peppering the back of a 80ft cage she was very excited to see this. I know this will probably take a long time before showing up in games but at least she will be failing while trying to get the correct sequence.


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How are you explaining turning the barrel earlier?

 

[FP26]

JJ thanks for your reply. I totally agree that she isn't taking her tee swing into the box with her at this time and the mental side of it. Her swing seems to be very consistent whether she is hitting 20 mph front toss or a pitcher throwing heat the outcome always send to be the same. We worked on trying to get the barrel turned earlier in the swing last night while at the cages and for the first time since a former coach taught her to drive the knob to the ball then turn the barrel with a wrist snap, she was peppering the back of a 80ft cage she was very excited to see this. I know this will probably take a long time before showing up in games but at least she will be failing while trying to get the correct sequence.


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DRDRODD - This is just my opinion. If there is a disconnect between her tee swing and her game swing, I wouldn't spend much time analyzing the tee swing. Nothing wrong with using the tee for practice, but the game swing is what I would focus on.

 

[DRDRODD]

How are you explaining turning the barrel earlier?

That is a very good question. That is my biggest problem I really don't know how to explain this to her. I have to be very careful on the things I say she takes things literally so I try not to give cues and so on. I mostly show video and try to replicate.
Edited to add: What we worked on is probably not considered turning the barrel earlier. More like releasing the bat head earlier trying not to lag as long.

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[DRDRODD]

That is a very good question. That is my biggest problem I really don't know how to explain this to her. I have to be very careful on the things I say she takes things literally so I try not to give cues and so on. I mostly show video and try to replicate. Edited to add: What we worked on is probably not considered turning the barrel earlier. More like releasing the bat head earlier trying not to lag as long.


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