New rule proposal!

[Bernie]

I agree it makes no sense they are circular. I took the NFHS definition (below) and instead of swung (past tense of swing) I put the definition of swing attempt from baseball rule’s academy. This is the closest rules have for a swing. Then replaced the word bunt with the definition on bunt. I was not doing this that it made sense but to show they were circular.
I know the rules do not really define a swing, this lies the problem. One needs to be defined without using not the other. I would prefer to take not swung out of the bunt which is what I believe you did.
“A bunt is a deliberate attempt to tap the ball softly within the infield, if it’s not a bunt attempt then it is a swing.”
The only problem this is a slappers 90% of the time.
Hopefully this clears it up what I was getting at, putting not a swing in bunt definition, without defining a swing separate from a bunt makes it circular.

NFHS Rule 2-8-1 states that a bunt is simply a legally batted ball not swung at but intentionally tapped with the bat.
A swing is an attempt at a pitch, that is not a bunt

That makes it worse. Many of your sentences make no sense. They are difficult to understand.

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[Comp]

A little more explanation utilizing the bunt descriptions being mentioned in this thread.

Bunt, Slap and Checked-Swing Quandaries - Referee.com

The photo above provides an interesting conundrum for umpires. While it is just a snapshot, it leads to some intriguing questions and forces us to get into the rules. At the end of the day, the issue remains the same — what do we have on this play? To settle the matter, we need to look at both...

www.referee.com

Good old refree magazine. Not always the best source of information.

While most of what he writes is ok, the hand position has ZERO to do with if it is a bunt or not. A good all around lefty slapper that hits away, slaps and bunts will never change their hand position on the bat. My daughter was a very accommplished D1 lefty slapper, never moved her hands on the bat. Its a giveaway to the defense when the hands move. Thats the beauty of a lefty that can do it all. If the defense plays in for the bunt, you power slap or hit away. If they play the slap or swing away, you drag bunt.

 

[daywalkerdad]

That makes it worse. Many of your sentences make no sense. They are difficult to understand.

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How about this.
It is not clearly defined the difference between a slappers bunt and swing.

 

[Comp]

How about this.
It is not clearly defined the difference between a slappers bunt and swing.

Try looking at the definition of drag bunt in the NFHS definitions, under same heading as bunt. A bunt is a bunt regardless of if the batter is running through the box or not. And a chopping swing that stops at contact is not a bunt attempt.

 

[LEsoftballdad]

Has there ever been a slapper in MLB, other than Ichiro, who wasn't a genuine slapper?

 

[benjey]

Has there ever been a slapper in MLB, other than Ichiro, who wasn't a genuine slapper?

No. There was a guy who slapped a few times in the World Baseball Classic a few years back. I don't recall the country maybe Cuba definitely latin American.

Realistically even before MLB became all about the HR slapping is not a real viable strategy with 90 foot bases

 

[OmniscientFan]

I would prefer you make the rule if the slapper not use a full swing it is considered a bunt attempt and third strike bunt you are out.(And still not a fan of this idea but prefer it.) Do not agree with the three fouls only.

We definitely saw this called against DD #1's team this summer in a 14U tournament. The slapper had fouled off 12-14 straight pitches and, on the last one, the umpire called her out for a bunt strike three. It was quite controversial and our team lost by a run.

 

[LEsoftballdad]

No. There was a guy who slapped a few times in the World Baseball Classic a few years back. I don't recall the country maybe Cuba definitely latin American.

Realistically even before MLB became all about the HR slapping is not a real viable strategy with 90 foot bases

Maybe it would have been more practical in the 70s and 80s with the old style AstroTurf, and the weak hitters who could fly. Now, everyone has power.

 

[Nuwin]

I thought slapping... or really what Ichiro did would have been a great shift beater

 

[daywalkerdad]

And a chopping swing that stops at contact is not a bunt attempt.

What differentiates? The motion of the bat is similar to a bunt that is not shown early.
Both cases bat goes down from shoulder to ball stopping on contact.