Welcome to Discuss Fastpitch

Your FREE Account is waiting to the Best Softball Community on the Web.

Register Log in

Looking for a Tewks video

Apr 11, 2015
353
16
Thanks MB, not trying to discredit Tewks one bit, I did notice the date. Evolution is amazing. The first video is a great vid by Tewks, Antonelli's videos I find a little more fine tuned and better presented.
Just to be clear...I'm not advocating for any one instructor, and as I stated in that post wrt Antonelli, "I really like his presentations on the material". In fact, I remember when watching his "Turning vs Pushing" video for the first time, my first thought was, "Finally, someone who gets it, and can explain it". Then a month or so later he came out with the "Turning the Barrel", and it brought tears to my eyes hearing him talking about not going "down and to" the ball, but rather getting the barrel "behind and through" it instead...music to my ears. :)

That said, upon rereading my post, I did make it sound as if I was speaking against Antonelli (and even Stone), when in fact I think they both do are real good job in getting the information across, regardless of when, how, or from whom they got it. The big thing is that young hitters be taught the right way, and from whoever or however they're able to get it is of little difference. IOWs it's the message, and not the messenger that matters IMO.
 
Jun 17, 2009
15,129
0
Portland, OR
In my opinion, the pull pattern can be associated with a hitter that focuses too much on connection. I see connection as a pass through position. But if it is overcooked it can impact other things.

To me lasering is just a matter of which end of the bat you are focused on. Oftentimes the barrel end is easier because movement is much more pronounced. Movement on the hands end of the bat is much more subtle. After all, when placed in the hands the bat acts kind of like a lever. So it's just a matter of what makes more sense to you. As [MENTION=14743]CoachJD[/MENTION] was alluding to, much of this is just different ways of understanding and approaching the same movements.
Not from my perspective. I teach that the torso-engine pulls ... with zero intent on being 'connected'.
 
Jul 16, 2013
2,999
63
Pennsylvania
Not from my perspective. I teach that the torso-engine pulls ... with zero intent on being 'connected'.
Not sure what part you are disagreeing with. I am referring to what Tewks refers to as a "pull pattern". He describes this as an overly rotational around-the-body type swing. I believe he actually used the "hard left turn" phrase that has been used many times on this site and others. IMO hitters that are overly connected can demonstrate some of these same attributes. If I understand what you are talking about with the "torso-engine pulls", I see that as part of what Tewks describes as the elite pattern. In fact, when I watch that gif I recently posted of King Albert, I get a sense of a torso-pull during both of his swings.
 
Jul 16, 2013
2,999
63
Pennsylvania
Excuse me, but when speaking of connection, what is connected? Hands and back shoulder?
Essentially, yes. I see connection as a pass through position. There is a time during the swing that the hands will be near the back shoulder and may seem to be connected very briefly. But it isn't really something I focus on or really even look for. Cannonball has discussed connection several times, but I really don't want to misquote his views. I believe it is a theory he utilizes, but I am pretty sure he also views is as a pass through position. Some amateur hitters keep their hands near the back shoulder too long, in my opinion.
 
Jan 6, 2009
2,060
48
Pacific NW
Connection is a concept. If you have bat drag you lack connection. If you accelerate the barrel from start to finish or turn the barrel, you have connection.
 

Cannonball

Ex "Expert"
Feb 25, 2009
3,852
63
Essentially, yes. I see connection as a pass through position. There is a time during the swing that the hands will be near the back shoulder and may seem to be connected very briefly. But it isn't really something I focus on or really even look for. Cannonball has discussed connection several times, but I really don't want to misquote his views. I believe it is a theory he utilizes, but I am pretty sure he also views is as a pass through position. Some amateur hitters keep their hands near the back shoulder too long, in my opinion.
Yes a pass through position with the caveat that the hands do ride that relationship for the slightest period of time. I've discusses connection in a couple of different ways from discussions back in the day. On one former site, some members looked at connection as a dynamic change of events starting with heel touchdown. In that concept, the hands do ride a little longer but I was never too clear on exactly what all of that meant other than when that heel hits, the core takes over, the hands come into connection and then come off the merry go round. believe me, some people got a lot more in-depth than this explanation.
 
Jul 16, 2013
2,999
63
Pennsylvania
Connection is a concept. If you have bat drag you lack connection. If you accelerate the barrel from start to finish or turn the barrel, you have connection.
I have seen connection described various ways, but this is the first time I have seen this description...
 
Jan 6, 2009
2,060
48
Pacific NW
I have seen connection described various ways, but this is the first time I have seen this description...
We are all talking about the same thing when it comes to the elite swing. Connection comes from Mankin explaining "transfer" mechanics. He looked at the swing of many amateurs as having poor transfer mechanics. Mainly because the didn't view the swing from the very beginning, or as the arc happening from the start, or the entire swing. They only viewed the swing from the lag position to contact.
 

Staff online

Latest threads

Forum statistics

Threads
33,600
Messages
486,616
Members
15,287
Latest member
CanbyRebels06
Top