mitts60, good move. Some years back when my dds were younger, LL contacted me about getting LL started in our city. I said, 'sounds great - explain LL rules for girls - I am somewhat familiar with the boys rules'. He told me the rules - I said 'No I asked for the girls rules' - they were the same. I told him to call me back when they get softball figured out. I had many ex-LL girls that came to try out for my travel team - not one made the team - too weak competition, LL kids were behind travel kids, usually by the number of years they had spent in LL.