As an alternative to a flip change, my dd has been working on the horseshoe change that Boardmember described in the best changeup for small hands thread. http://www.discussfastpitch.com/softball-pitching/9274-best-change-up-grip-small-hands-2.html For those that have had success with this pitch -- or teach it -- is there a spin and speed difference (off the fastball/drop) that she should be trying to achieve? When she throws this pitch from "K," she usually gets outside breaking bullet spin (clockwise from the catcher's perspective) and it has a fair amount less velocity than a fastball release. But from a full motion, she gets basically 11-5 down-spin (from the catcher's perspective), and the pitch is only about 7 mph slower than the fastball, for a change from about 50 to 43 mph. Although she can locate this pitch pretty well (having just recently started with it), 7 mph does not seem like enough of a speed reduction. I plan to video to troubleshoot. Meantime, if anyone could describe what they see when catching this pitch when it is really working, I would appreciate it.