Have any pitching coaches changed their teachings based on leaping being allowed?

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May 27, 2013
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I think that's correct. Explode off the rubber, drive hard into that front side. All the other proper mechanics that we've worked on for years should still apply.
Yep - agree. Will tell dd that when she goes back to school this fall to work on driving out as hard and fast as she can. We will see what the outcome is come spring.
 

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The VPX harness really helps with explosion off the rubber. I will make sure my daughter uses it all the time now.
 
Aug 1, 2019
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You're right, there's a marketing opportunity here for some kind of video or something but I think I'll wait to see how it all plays out first. It is entirely possible that pitchers will be called illegal because they are crow hopping and not leaping. I'd say a lot of this is in a holding pattern right now until we see how it all plays out. Personally I don't think this will become a major issue for a few years, this current crop of pitchers in the 14u-college ages should probably stick with their current mechanics instead of trying to reinvent themselves.

To be fair, this picture is a little skewed from the angle it was taken. I think it makes the jump look significantly worse than it actually is. And as I said on some men's FP places, I think the irony here is that this jump is probably not helping this young man too much (possibly even taking power away from himself) but I've never seen him live.

Rolling Hard, yes, ultimately this is what will happen at the women's game. It may take a while but it'll happen. Mark my words. Based off this pic, I cannot tell if he's leaping or crow hopping, but I would guess he'd be doing a crow hop. Most that jump do not leap, they crow hop.

I agree with the other post, this pic would send some coaches into cardiac arrest. If you wanna watch a dominant male pitcher who is 100% legal, watch NY Gremlins Andrew Kirkpatrick. He's 6'7 and does the real push and drag. He makes big bucks in Japan, which is why he pitches that way. Japan has only opened their rules up with the WBSC did a few years ago. Prior to that, all Japanese pitchers were 100% legal.

Another irony is that this game was played between the Ohio Bombers and Oshweken Redmen of Ontario. The Redmen are not sponsored by the tobacco, but an Indian reservation. They proudly wear the name Redmen on their gear and use the old Cleveland Indians Chief Wahoo on their hats, 2 things that are supposed to be sooooooo racist. Yet, these guys wear each with pride. I think I may have told this story before so I'll try the condensed version: in 2002 at the same tournament this photo was taken, there was a team called the Native Americans. They were made of Native ball players from tribes and reservations all over North America. During opening ceremonies of the event, I asked the team captain if I could find out about my own ancestry. I was told my grandpa was 1/4 Seneca Indian and wanted to know how I could find that out. He lit up and said, "Really?" I do background checks for the company employed by most of the casinos on Reservations and I could find out very quick". I said cool, I'd be interested to find out. "By the way, the All Indian championships are in New Mexico at the end of August, while your Indian claim is in the works, you are eligible to play in the tournament. Wanna come with us?" I said Claim? I'm not asking for land or anything, I just was curious about the validity of what I was told regarding my grandfather. "No no, no a claim just means you're investigating it." So I said ok. I was the absolute whitest guy at the tournament and everyone was whispering at the tournament, pointing at me, telling me I wasn't a real "skin" as they called themselves. We won the tournament without too much difficulty. After the tournament, not only did they never send me the money I was promised but I never heard another word about my "claim". I felt so used and abused!! lol.
Maybe there was more whispering and pointing at the investigator for his bringing in the whitest guy at the tournament. Especially if the background check came back negative(?) he wouldn't want to draw any more attention to it.
 
Oct 1, 2014
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Bill - have you ever pursued that question further? Bunch of tests out there these days for those who really want to know..AncestryDNA, LivingDNA, etc...
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Is anyone upset because they have worked so hard on dragging their toe and it seems to have been a waste of time?
Will you keep dragging or try leaping now?

John Gay believed a heavy drag just slowed things down. I have started with keep the drag skimming across the ground and now I don’t have to worry about the foot coming up.
 
Jan 6, 2009
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Here’s a leap, she went to UCLA. Only saw her in mop up. Problems with injuries. She had problems in HS as well with injuries.

Maybe we will see more Hops at the end of the pitch.

 

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