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Ohio Bombers pitcher from Saturday's World championship. Compare this to Barnhill! lol.
Have any pitching coaches changed their teachings based on leaping being allowed?
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Ohio Bombers pitcher from Saturday's World championship. Compare this to Barnhill! lol.
He looks more like Edwin Moses than a pitcher.
A loud karate "kiai' would be the finishing touch.
That is an awesome photo. Is this what we should expect to see shortly in the lady's game? Is that the first leap or his crow hop? This photo will make some pitching coaches sick to their stomach.
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How many current female pitchers could pitch like that? A lot of them have a hard time fielding a bunt. Heck I pulled two muscles just looking at it..
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Bill, from your own questions you posted above. You should be one of the few positioned to provide knowledge in this changing landscape. Sounds like time for a new Video download or some other marketable product.
As soon as one female pitcher does this technique and is effective, every fanatical bucket dad/mom will be signing their DD for lessons in track hurdles and karate to supplement the pitching lessons.
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and for many of them they will be wasting their money..Like I said before in another thread, look at how that guy is built..looks like a SS
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You're right, there's a marketing opportunity here for some kind of video or something but I think I'll wait to see how it all plays out first. It is entirely possible that pitchers will be called illegal because they are crow hopping and not leaping. I'd say a lot of this is in a holding pattern right now until we see how it all plays out. Personally I don't think this will become a major issue for a few years, this current crop of pitchers in the 14u-college ages should probably stick with their current mechanics instead of trying to reinvent themselves.
To be fair, this picture is a little skewed from the angle it was taken. I think it makes the jump look significantly worse than it actually is. And as I said on some men's FP places, I think the irony here is that this jump is probably not helping this young man too much (possibly even taking power away from himself) but I've never seen him live.
Rolling Hard, yes, ultimately this is what will happen at the women's game. It may take a while but it'll happen. Mark my words. Based off this pic, I cannot tell if he's leaping or crow hopping, but I would guess he'd be doing a crow hop. Most that jump do not leap, they crow hop.
I agree with the other post, this pic would send some coaches into cardiac arrest. If you wanna watch a dominant male pitcher who is 100% legal, watch NY Gremlins Andrew Kirkpatrick. He's 6'7 and does the real push and drag. He makes big bucks in Japan, which is why he pitches that way. Japan has only opened their rules up with the WBSC did a few years ago. Prior to that, all Japanese pitchers were 100% legal.
Another irony is that this game was played between the Ohio Bombers and Oshweken Redmen of Ontario. The Redmen are not sponsored by the tobacco, but an Indian reservation. They proudly wear the name Redmen on their gear and use the old Cleveland Indians Chief Wahoo on their hats, 2 things that are supposed to be sooooooo racist. Yet, these guys wear each with pride. I think I may have told this story before so I'll try the condensed version: in 2002 at the same tournament this photo was taken, there was a team called the Native Americans. They were made of Native ball players from tribes and reservations all over North America. During opening ceremonies of the event, I asked the team captain if I could find out about my own ancestry. I was told my grandpa was 1/4 Seneca Indian and wanted to know how I could find that out. He lit up and said, "Really?" I do background checks for the company employed by most of the casinos on Reservations and I could find out very quick". I said cool, I'd be interested to find out. "By the way, the All Indian championships are in New Mexico at the end of August, while your Indian claim is in the works, you are eligible to play in the tournament. Wanna come with us?" I said Claim? I'm not asking for land or anything, I just was curious about the validity of what I was told regarding my grandfather. "No no, no a claim just means you're investigating it." So I said ok. I was the absolute whitest guy at the tournament and everyone was whispering at the tournament, pointing at me, telling me I wasn't a real "skin" as they called themselves. We won the tournament without too much difficulty. After the tournament, not only did they never send me the money I was promised but I never heard another word about my "claim". I felt so used and abused!! lol.
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Just so we are all clear on the new high school pitching rule.
Read the rule. Don’t go by what you hear.
It never mentions “LEAPING“. Obviously “leaping “ is disengaging the pivot foot from the surface. Most pitchers do disengage but they don’t leap.
NFHS
“6-1-2c, 2-47: The pitcher may now have both feet off the ground at the same time as long as both feet remain within the 24-inch width of the pitching plate and the pitcher does not replant the pivot foot. A definition for a replant was added.
Rationale: The rule change permits both feet to disengage from the playing surface while delivering a pitch.
The addition of Rule 2-47 defines that a replant of the pivot foot occurs when the pitcher pushes off the playing surface from anywhere other than the pitcher’s plate prior to the act of delivering the pitch.”
Both are legal now although disengaging almost always occur with proper leg drive. (Not digging trenches in the dirt).
Disengaged is balanced.
Leaping is not balanced.
The rules do not mention if leaping is good or bad for a pitcher, it’s just not illegal anymore.
