No problem. I appreciate your gifs. I got you and redhotcoach mixed again. I apologize for that, to you and him.
What is this, I have a bigger collection of checked swings than you do? What in the world does this or any others show. Well some like the last batter has a bat tip, as did some previous .gifs, and your first posted .gif of the Angels hitter prove MY point, not yours. If the barrel is pulled behind the hands to connection at the hip, the bat head, the bat tip, will not be as likely to come around through the zone as someone who commits the bat head early in a check-wing situation. Furthermore, what does getting fooled on a pitch an getting the bat head out have to do with anything? Anything? I have check-swung at rise-balls over my head and spun myself into the dirt. What does that mean? That is what I said, that is my claim. By the way, Crankermo's DD has a nice looking swing, just like knightsb's daughter.
Steve - I'm interested in your take re the old/new Bautista clips that Tewks put together and discussed in the link below.
And as far as checked swings go, IMO they are the product of a hitter planning to swing at every pitch and stopping their swing when the location or pitch is recognized to be outside of the hitter's pre-determined "go zone" as opposed to being due to a hitter being fooled.
What Made Jose Bautista
Steve - I'm interested in your take re the old/new Bautista clips that Tewks put together and discussed in the link below.
And as far as checked swings go, IMO they are the product of a hitter planning to swing at every pitch and stopping their swing when the location or pitch is recognized to be outside of the hitter's pre-determined "go zone" as opposed to being due to a hitter being fooled.
What Made Jose Bautista
What is this, I have a bigger collection of checked swings than you do? What in the world does this or any others show.
Well some like the last batter has a bat tip, as did some previous .gifs, and your first posted .gif of the Angels hitter prove MY point, not yours.
If the barrel is pulled behind the hands to connection at the hip, the bat head, the bat tip, will not be as likely to come around through the zone as someone who commits the bat head early in a check-wing situation
Furthermore, what does getting fooled on a pitch an getting the bat head out have to do with anything? Anything? I have check-swung at rise-balls over my head and spun myself into the dirt. What does that mean? That is what I said, that is my claim.
The only check-swing gifs that prove anything are like your first and last, showing the bat head relatively quiet behind the hands, and someone who launches the swing early. This is futile. The last batter starts his rotation, stops, and relaxes as the slider passes out of the zone. ?
One last thing to hopefully clear up some confusion by some casual observers. Rotational hitting is defined basically by the rear hip driving the hands and bat to the ball.
Low pitches, outside pitches change the swing path of any hitter. Mistake swings, such as launching the bat head out behind the ball instead of hitting the inside edge of the ball, will change the swing path, incorrectly! You can not compare a swing high inside, to a swing low outside. The bat head is released at different times.
And by the way, how can it take longer to swing at an outside pitch, when the back hip rotates at most 50% as much as on an inside pitch, and the bat head is released further back in the swing arc? That question is for pstein. Your shoulders turn less than 45 degrees to hit an outside pitch.
The mistake I see is the perception that the tip of the bat signified the type of swing.
By DEFINITION, the Epstein, O'Leary, Howard, me, etc camp, and all linear hitting coaches like Candrea and Enquist would define early bat release as follows:
If during rotation, the bat barrel stays connected to the shoulder when the back elbow is at the hip, then MORE or less, if the bat barrel is directly behind the hands, bat knob pointed at the pitcher and the bat barrel is pointed directly away back toward the catcher, if the wrists are unbroken into the swing, or this position is only slightly broken, by say 10 degrees or less, then we do not consider it the early bat head release or launch.
The back elbow has brought the hands down above the back elbow, (stacked at hip connection). At that point, the wrists are relatively unbroken. The bat barrel is close to the shoulder, not flying away from the shoulder, not previously flying back toward the catcher. That is ROTATIONAL hitting we teach. It is not the Tewks, Teacherman, MTS hitting method.
This one?