Ball Spin

[Mark H]

Is the bullet spin what has been referred to as IR on other threads?

No. IR refers to the mechanics of the arm action near release. Bullet spin describes only one possible type of ball rotation.

 

[Mark H]

Is the average rise spin more spiral than 6/12? Are there any who can throw close to 6/12?

Yes and yes.

 

[Mark H]

I agree that a bullet spin can be thrown with speed and control. I also believe that all pitchers are physically diverse and some have more natural tendencies and they should be taken into consideration as long as they are mechanically sound . One size does not fit all .

Agreed.


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[JC heir]

do you all understand how a bullet is spinning when it exits a barrell??? there is no top to bottom spin whatsoever. the only way to achieve bullet spin with a thrown softball is tostart the fingers on the outside of the ball, & come over the top & down the otherside at release. I cant wrap my head around how to do that with speed & mechanics....keep in mind here you did say BULLET SPIN, not a top to bottom spin with the axis rotated.....picture the gears in boardmembers origonal post spinning sideways with the flat part of the gear being at the front.

 

[JC heir]

Picture this in your mind- if you are going to throw bullet spin on a ball, you could take a magic marker & make a small dot, say dime size on the front of the ball. as you release it the dot would stay on the front all the way to the catcher....just like the point of a bullet....now I would LOVE to see someone video that!

 

[Mark H]

do you all understand how a bullet is spinning when it exits a barrell??? there is no top to bottom spin whatsoever. the only way to achieve bullet spin with a thrown softball is tostart the fingers on the outside of the ball, & come over the top & down the otherside at release. I cant wrap my head around how to do that with speed & mechanics....keep in mind here you did say BULLET SPIN, not a top to bottom spin with the axis rotated.....picture the gears in boardmembers origonal post spinning sideways with the flat part of the gear being at the front.

Picture a football pass thrown underhand.

 

[JC heir]

Mark, actually that is what I am picturing...without getting your fingers "behind" the ball in some fashion or another you cannot possibly get maximum speed on it. The only resaon you throw a football the way you do is because of the aerodynamics of the football.

 

[SoCalSoftballdad]

Picture a football pass thrown underhand.

Even if it was possible, why would you want to throw a pitch that has not movement (i.e. perfect bullet spin)? It would seem to me that 12/6 rotation (or something close to it) gives the pitcher better downward movement, while maintaining good speed.

 

[Mark H]

Mark, actually that is what I am picturing...without getting your fingers "behind" the ball in some fashion or another you cannot possibly get maximum speed on it. The only resaon you throw a football the way you do is because of the aerodynamics of the football.

I agree some speed is lost. Probably a couple of mph. The guy who teaches this moves quickly and successfully to teaching a roll drop, flip change and a rise.

 

[Mark H]

Even if it was possible, why would you want to throw a pitch that has not movement (i.e. perfect bullet spin)? It would seem to me that 12/6 rotation (or something close to it) gives the pitcher better downward movement, while maintaining good speed.

I agree.



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