2 Scoring ?'s

[JBG]

Runner on third & 1st (runner on 3rd got a single, girl on first walked) 2 outs. Coaches tell the C if she goes (steals 2nd) "get her"...she goes...poor throw by the C that goes into CF and the runner steals home...is this an Earned Run? Error on the C?

2nd ?....girl on 1st (1 out)...runner at the plate chops one to 3rd...the 3rd baseman throws to second but the 2nd basemen does not get there in time...it was a low throw but catchable if the 2nd baseman had covered 2nd in time.

Who do you charge the error to? I know in TB the coaches Preach that the 3b or SS is SUPPOSED to go to 2nd if it is clear you can get her out at 2nd...2b is supposed to "Get there"! for the throw. Whose error is it? the 3b or 2b?

 

[WinThemAll]

1.) Error on catcher
2.) Error on 2B

 

[shockcoach]

Scenario 1: E2, unearned run.

Scenario 2: E5

An error is only charged to the person receiving the ball on a missed catch on a good throw. If they weren't there to receive it, they didn't miss it. Error then goes to thrower.

 

[GOINGDEEP]

There is a curious loophole in the rules on errors for catchers. If a catcher makes a "wild throw" in an attempt to prevent a stolen base and the runner is safe, the catcher is not charged with an error even if it could be argued that the runner would have been put out with "ordinary effort." There is therefore a "no fault" condition for the catcher attempting to prevent a steal. However, when considering that the majority of stolen base attempts are successful (around 2 successes per failure), this "no fault rule" is understandable due to the extreme difficulty of throwing out runners. If the runner takes an additional base due to the wild throw, an error is charged for that advance.

 

[WinThemAll]

From:
[h=1]Baseball Scorekeeping: A Practical Guide to the Rules[/h]By Andres Wirkmaa

Rule 10.13(e)
CHARGING AN ERROR FOR THE FAILURE TO STOP OR
TO TRY TO STOP-AN ACCURATELY THROWN BALL
(A Solution for What Would Otherwise
Be a Difficult Scorekeeping Problem)
An error is charged under Rule 10.l3(e) against any defensive player who fails to stop (or fails to try to stop) an accurately thrown ball, if his failure allows a runner to advance. However, there must have been occasion for the throw in question. Moreover, if the throw was made to second base, it is up to the official score keeper to decide whether to charge the error to the shortstop or the second baseman based on who the official scorekeeper believes had the responsibility to stop, or try to stop, the accurately thrown ball.



THE THROW CANNOT BE UNCALLED FOR
(A Word of Caution)
The note appended to Rule 10.13(e) covers situations where (1) a throw is made and (2) no one stops or attempts to stop the throw and (3) there is runner advancement but (in the judgment of the official scorekeeper there was “no occasion" for the throw to be made in the first place. In those instances, the defensive player that throws the ball is charged with an error.
In the illustration set forth above, what the official rulebook text refers to as “occasion for the throw" was manifestly clear. However, as stated in Rule 10.13(e)’s note, the error charged in situations where a fielder fails to cover a base does not automatically go to the fielder who failed to cover the base in question. There must have been a legitimate reason (“occasion") for the throw to be made in order to charge the fielder who failed to stop or try to stop the accurately thrown ball with an error.
Therefore, once again, a mental mistake or misjudgment (in this instance, making a throw that is not called for to a base that no one is covering) can be, and in fact should be, recorded as an error and charged to the fielder who made the erroneous throw. It was his mental error – properly charged as an official fielding error - that permitted a runner to advance.

 

[shockcoach]

To add from the NCAA scoring.

14.21.4 An error shall be charged against any fielder whose
throw takes an unnatural bounce, touches a base or the pitcher’s
plate, or touches a runner, a fielder or an umpire, thereby
permitting any runner to advance. Apply this rule even when
it appears to be an injustice to a fielder whose throw was accurate.
The official scorer must account for every base advanced
by a runner.

SECTION 22—NO ERROR IS CHARGED
No error is charged to a fielder in the following situations:

14.22.1 When a ball is misplayed because of being lost in the
sun or lights, blown by the wind, or if the fielder slips and falls
— even if contact is made with the ball.

14.22.2 When there is a mental mistake. Throwing to the
wrong base is considered a mental mistake.

14.22.3 When a catcher attempts a pick-off, unless the runner
advances an additional base.

14.22.4 When a runner returns safely to her original base on
a rundown.

14.22.5 When a runner beats a wild throw or dropped catch
(unless an additional base is gained or a good throw would not
have led to a different result). This also pertains to the second or
third out of a double or triple play.
Note: A dropped ball by the receiver is an error if the runner
would have been out.

14.22.6 When a ball is hit with such force, so slowly or with
erratic spin, that it would require more than ordinary effort to
play the ball.

14.22.7 When a fly ball is misjudged and the fielder cannot
recover in time to make the play.

14.22.8 When a fielder drops a ball after running a considerable
distance or if she fails in her attempt to catch the ball while
running at a high rate of speed.

14.22.9 When a fielder drops a line drive after moving more
than a few steps to catch the ball.

14.22.10 As a result of an illegal pitch, wild pitch, passed ball
or hit batter, even if more than one base is gained from the initial
misplay.

14.22.11 When a runner advances on a dropped third strike.
In such a case, a wild pitch or passed ball shall be charged; however,
if an accurate throw or proper catch would have resulted
in an out, an error shall be charged to the appropriate player.

14.22.12 When a pitcher mishandles a sharply batted ball.
Wild throws and the mishandling of routine ground balls and
bunts are reason for charging the pitcher with an error.

14.22.13 When a wild throw is made in an effort to prevent a
runner from stealing, no error is charged even if a good throw
would have resulted in a putout, unless the runner advances at
least one additional base.

14.22.14 When a fielder intentionally does not catch a foul fly
ball to prevent a runner from advancing.

14.22.15 When the official scorer charges the pitcher with a
wild pitch or the catcher with a passed ball.

14.22.16 When a batter advances on a dropped third strike
that is also a wild pitch or passed ball. In this case, the batter is
charged with a strikeout and the pitcher or catcher with a wild
pitch or passed ball, respectively.