When you say this is the rule "in baseball", that's like saying that a rule "in softball" is always the same for USA, NFHS, NCAA, etc. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
In NFHS baseball all of the outs would stand, same as in softball.
Batting out of order- WTF?
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When you say this is the rule "in baseball", that's like saying that a rule "in softball" is always the same for USA, NFHS, NCAA, etc. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
In NFHS baseball all of the outs would stand, same as in softball.
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NCAA softball:
If the error is reported after the incorrect batter has completed her
turn at bat and before a pitch has been delivered to the following
batter, or before the pitcher and all infielders clearly have vacated their
normal fielding positions and have left fair territory: (a) the player
who should have batted is out; (b) all results because of a ball batted
by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to
first base as a result of obstruction, an error, a hit batter, walk, dropped
third strike or a base hit shall be nullified; (c) the next batter is the
player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to
bat; (d) if the batter declared out under these circumstances is the third
out, the correct batter in the next inning shall be the player whose
name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat; and (e) if
the third out is made on a player before the report of the infraction, an
appeal may still be made in order to reinstate the correct batting order.
If the error is reported after the incorrect batter has completed her
turn at bat and before a pitch has been delivered to the following
batter, or before the pitcher and all infielders clearly have vacated their
normal fielding positions and have left fair territory: (a) the player
who should have batted is out; (b) all results because of a ball batted
by the improper batter or because of the improper batter’s advance to
first base as a result of obstruction, an error, a hit batter, walk, dropped
third strike or a base hit shall be nullified; (c) the next batter is the
player whose name follows that of the player called out for failing to
bat; (d) if the batter declared out under these circumstances is the third
out, the correct batter in the next inning shall be the player whose
name follows that of the player called out for failing to bat; and (e) if
the third out is made on a player before the report of the infraction, an
appeal may still be made in order to reinstate the correct batting order.
And since the original question was for NFHS:
7-2-2: When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the next pitch (legal or illegal), or prior to an intentional base on balls (S.P.), or before all infielders leave fair territory and the catcher vacates her normal fielding position if a half-inning is ending. The umpire shall declare the batter who should have batted out (not the improper batter). The improper batter's time at bat is negated and she is returned to the dugout/bench area. All outs stand and runners who were not declared out must return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. If a runner advances because of a stolen base, wild pitch, passed ball (F.P.) or an illegal pitch (F.P.) while the improper batter is at bat, such advance is legal.
7-2-2: When an improper batter becomes a runner or is put out and the defensive team appeals to the umpire before the next pitch (legal or illegal), or prior to an intentional base on balls (S.P.), or before all infielders leave fair territory and the catcher vacates her normal fielding position if a half-inning is ending. The umpire shall declare the batter who should have batted out (not the improper batter). The improper batter's time at bat is negated and she is returned to the dugout/bench area. All outs stand and runners who were not declared out must return to the base occupied at the time of the pitch. If a runner advances because of a stolen base, wild pitch, passed ball (F.P.) or an illegal pitch (F.P.) while the improper batter is at bat, such advance is legal.
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As I have stated in other posts, the NCAA softball rule set has moved so far from every other softball rule set it barely resembles softball anymore. About the only rules that are the same anymore are the number of outs, strikes and balls. On the surface the NCAA rules resemble softball, but when you really get into them they are vastly different.
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As usual, they screwed up a logical rule to protect the inept.
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That's what happens when you allow admin and coaches control the rules. Stupid is as stupid does.
If I understood that correctly it could be bizarre situation. Say there are no outs runners @ 2 & 1; improper batter hits into a 5-4 double play. If defense appeals they will only have 1 out with runners @ 2 & 1, if they do nothing 2 outs with runner on 1? If they don't appeal (assuming the improper batter batted for the person in front of them) the runner at first base is now the proper batter, defense can then let the next batter hit and then appeal for 3rd out (assuming a hit or walk), or offense could pinch run for improper batter now at first, and she could bat in proper position.
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Got it thanks, since the batter wasn't appealed the next batter is now up.
What if in the same scenario the batters were not slotted next to each other. For example #1 is due up, #3 hits in her place causing the double play. Defense doesn't appeal since they want the DP, so is the next proper batter #4 causing both #1 & #2 to be skipped?
A weird wrinkle I thought of regarding this too. The NCAA rule posted says "if the error is reported" but doesn't specify by which team. Is it possible for a team to appeal their own error? In this case it would be advantageous for the offensive team to appeal, take the out for batting out of order and put two runners back on base.
What if in the same scenario the batters were not slotted next to each other. For example #1 is due up, #3 hits in her place causing the double play. Defense doesn't appeal since they want the DP, so is the next proper batter #4 causing both #1 & #2 to be skipped?
A weird wrinkle I thought of regarding this too. The NCAA rule posted says "if the error is reported" but doesn't specify by which team. Is it possible for a team to appeal their own error? In this case it would be advantageous for the offensive team to appeal, take the out for batting out of order and put two runners back on base.
