2 seam VS 4 seam fastballs/disadvantage?

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The Magnus Force occurs when a ball has an axis of rotation perpendicular to the direction of motion. In the example I used, it was bullet spin/corkscrew spin. For that pitch, if the corkscrew spin and the direction of movement are co-linear, there is no Magnus force.

But, your DD is throwing a pitch with 12-6 topspin. If the axis of rotation is perpendicular to the direction of movement of the ball, then there is simply a drop ball.

As the axis of rotation moves on a horizontal plane, the downward force on the ball due to the Magnus force decreases because the rotational axis is no longer perfectly perpendicular to the direction of movement. *BUT*, the ball moves horizontally due to the orientation of the seams.

I suspect that on most pitches the rotational axis is rotated horizontally and vertically. In that case, the ball ends up having a vertical Magnus force, a horizontal Magnus force, and a seam orientation force.

My guess is that it is a very difficult pitch to control.
 
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The Magnus Force occurs when a ball has an axis of rotation perpendicular to the direction of motion. In the example I used, it was bullet spin/corkscrew spin. For that pitch, if the corkscrew spin and the direction of movement are co-linear, there is no Magnus force.

But, your DD is throwing a pitch with 12-6 topspin. If the axis of rotation is perpendicular to the direction of movement of the ball, then there is simply a drop ball.

As the axis of rotation moves on a horizontal plane, the downward force on the ball due to the Magnus force decreases because the rotational axis is no longer perfectly perpendicular to the direction of movement. *BUT*, the ball moves horizontally due to the orientation of the seams.

I suspect that on most pitches the rotational axis is rotated horizontally and vertically. In that case, the ball ends up having a vertical Magnus force, a horizontal Magnus force, and a seam orientation force.

My guess is that it is a very difficult pitch to control.

Thank You...I can agree on that... DD's case... Yes very hard for hitters to control... You gotta split the pumpkin dead center & I mean DEAD CENTER... :cool: Get lotz more pop-ups to catcher, than most other pitches.
 
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2-seamer has a tail of turbulent air that makes it move. watch kluber tonight.

Kluber's movement was nasty! How many LH batters bailed out and gave up on a pitch only to have the ball come back and hit well into the plate? That is down-right filthy from a RH pitcher.
 
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fox had some good slo-mo where you could really see the spin and orientation.

Really... 1200fps+... Wanted to see what I could do ??? can barely make out the seams... Shot this in AV... easy to track ball ...TV does much better @ seeing seams. Wanted to show sluggers a 2Seam climbing to plate...cutting 3' w/ 28rps...w/12/6.... inconclusive :p


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Could be wrong...might have been the perfect 9/3 no one has seen.... :cool:
 
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