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    I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this matter, I will be breaking the swing into gifs showing when the bat is arcing. From launch position to varies points in the swing.

    This first gif shows limited arcing. What are your thoughts?

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    This swing represents the "connection" often discussed in the past. The critical critique then would be the amount of time that the hands ride that connection and whether the hitter gets the knob orientated toward the ball soon enough. What I have always tried to keep in mind when watching any video is that there are factors we can't see in the video which would include things like pitch speed, location, ... For example in the video above, is this an inside pitch? Noon has some pretty neat video where he shows two or more angles of a particular pitch/swing. One can tell more from them. Still, it will be interested in seeing the responses.
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    Connection is a marketer's buzzword. It's nothing more than a visual marker. You cannot teach connection if you want to have a good swing. The forearms swivel to turn the barrel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttermaker View Post
    Connection is a marketer's buzzword. It's nothing more than a visual marker. You cannot teach connection if you want to have a good swing. The forearms swivel to turn the barrel.
    In the video is this a significant amount of barrel turning? Just the clip I posted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buttermaker View Post
    Connection is a marketer's buzzword. It's nothing more than a visual marker. You cannot teach connection if you want to have a good swing. The forearms swivel to turn the barrel.
    I believe that was always Nyman's intent. At least the times I corresponded with him which were not a lot. It is a visual marker that enable a coach/hitting instructor to form an idea in their mind of what the hand/shoulder relationship should look like and then, work with hitters to improve that relationship. One could then deduce that if you are a turn the barrel person, that relationship would be included in that visualization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannonball View Post
    This swing represents the "connection" often discussed in the past. The critical critique then would be the amount of time that the hands ride that connection and whether the hitter gets the knob orientated toward the ball soon enough. What I have always tried to keep in mind when watching any video is that there are factors we can't see in the video which would include things like pitch speed, location, ... For example in the video above, is this an inside pitch? Noon has some pretty neat video where he shows two or more angles of a particular pitch/swing. One can tell more from them. Still, it will be interested in seeing the responses.
    Yes I think pitch location can account for what is seen or not seen. For example there is more early arcing on an outside pitch hit the other way, or hit deeper which creates a deeper arc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cannonball View Post
    I believe that was always Nyman's intent. At least the times I corresponded with him which were not a lot. It is a visual marker that enable a coach/hitting instructor to form an idea in their mind of what the hand/shoulder relationship should look like and then, work with hitters to improve that relationship. One could then deduce that if you are a turn the barrel person, that relationship would be included in that visualization.
    You know Mankin was explaining it as "transfer mechanics" before we started talking about connection. I think Jack Mankin is really the creator of the idea of connection. Because his info was ground breaking in terms of looking at the swing in a different way. While looking at the swing differently connection was conceived.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    You know Mankin was explaining it as "transfer mechanics" before we started talking about connection. I think Jack Mankin is really the creator of the idea of connection. Because his info was ground breaking in terms of looking at the swing in a different way. While looking at the swing differently connection was conceived.
    Shawn, I agree. Though I was never a member of Mankin's site, I read it all of the time. I wonder about statements many have made that if you do such and such, you will never have success. I'd guess the vast majority of coaches who coached those in MLB never read these various site nor do they know these various philosophies from the various gurus. Still, their players have had success. Mankin jumped in and started have people discuss hitting. He deserves a lot of credit. Don't forget that a lot of people were active back then on Eteamz as well as Mankin's site. Then, Setpro jumped in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    I wanted to get everyone's opinion on this matter, I will be breaking the swing into gifs showing when the bat is arcing. From launch position to varies points in the swing.

    This first gif shows limited arcing. What are your thoughts?

    At the end of this gif the hitter can still decide to abort and check their swing i.e., the swing has been initiated, but not launched
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn View Post
    In the video is this a significant amount of barrel turning? Just the clip I posted.
    From a pure forearm standpoint it's not nearly as good as this. Correa flattens and at least on this swing has more independent rear upper arm movement than desired. Watch the back elbow


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