Critique / Help Series of Swings

Instead of trying to answer your post - let me summarize:

The barrel should be turned rearward (for a righty the direction will somewhat away from where the second basemen plays). And again I will use this analogy. If you think of the very tip of the bat as the hand when you windmill - the path is very similar - meaning the hand goes around a circle to pitch....same as the tip of the bat goes around a circle.....

If I had mad GIF skills I would place a hand with a ball on the tip of Kemp's bat



Now - the Kemp clip shows a low pitch - but IMO that is the best way to practice with a tee - low and deep so you learn to do what Kemp is doing.

Here is the front view



And here is view of pitch up and out



Did the bat get launched any differently? I don't think it did - bat went rearward first....the hands did not push forward, they turned the barrel rearward first. They basically stayed in place for a split second so as to not get ahead of the hips, but the barrel was moving...

He does this efficiently by moving his back arm with the barrel turn - meaning as the barrel goes rearward the elbow comes down and forward as the front elbow elevates (all connected to start - a triangle).

And in the case of this thread and the OP's daughter - she starts to try and move the bat with the back elbow as the barrel gets turned in the wrong direction and the front elbow stays down forcing her to barrel to go around her rear hip which.....tada!.....makes front arm lengthen.....causing the arm bar everyone sees.....that's why I said fix the way the barrel is launched with the back arm and the front arm will fix itself...

And just to focus on the barrel turn and the relationship to the back arm

Watch the back arm and barrel - they move at the same time as if their is a steel rod connecting his elbow to the barrel tip - also notice that as the barrel is headed away from contact that the rear leg is sensing it must move forward....

His hands are actually moving away from contact a bit during this before going forward - his hands are pulling the bat around a circle - continuing in the same direction - not pushing towards the pitcher - not loading back and then pushing forward



The barrel continues down an arcish path - much like a windmill pitch....and the rear elbow and barrel are still connected

Good Show! Easy to learn from!

I popped up same Kemp gif as one for dd to look at. Her current lesson is summed up "swing from behind your rear leg."

And one more....

Set a tee deep and low and replicate this

Is this gonna be the NEW "turn the bat" early, behind your hip lingo to follow? It seems your post on swinging while standing on the back leg only, is a way of forcing your body to feel what needs to take place to accomplish this? I'm not sure if there is something changing in the delivery of this message or if something new has been realized by some instructors.
I have personally stopped using the "vroom" cue with my DD. For us it was causing more problems than it was helping. It would seem to me having her turn the barrel behind the hip would have a better result as a cue. Thanks

Ah yes the vroom:

My only post to a question about vroom vroom:


Originally Posted by Rich K

I am not getting the idea about the vroom......

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Me:

I wouldn't worry about it.

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I remember that post and wish I had asked you then to clarify your thoughts.
As our season kicks off I feel this is not the time to be tinkering with things like this and still here we are, behind schedule on our off season work. DD is lacking confidence as we took a wrong turn or 2 leading to a less than ideal set up for success in the short turn. I blame myself and I'm sure DD does too. Her stride is causing timing issues, or is it something else???? All I know is she says she feels LATE. She looks good to me from out front when coming to contact. It just seems a more explosive hip/bat would serve to lose that LATE feelings she has.....

tommyrobertson said:

Is this gonna be the NEW "turn the bat" early, behind your hip lingo to follow? It seems your post on swinging while standing on the back leg only, is a way of forcing your body to feel what needs to take place to accomplish this? I'm not sure if there is something changing in the delivery of this message or if something new has been realized by some instructors.
I have personally stopped using the "vroom" cue with my DD. For us it was causing more problems than it was helping. It would seem to me having her turn the barrel behind the hip would have a better result as a cue. Thanks

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http://vsa.sportsmotionanalyzer.com/club/topic/151328/
Something to try. I am/will work on this with my DD. I feel there is alot to learn from this. JMHO.

RD - please fix the url code so that person's name does not show up on the thread. Thanks.